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re: Why do Republicans ignore Divorce and Male Reproductive Rights for Men

Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:45 am to
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:45 am to
because it is a local issue
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:46 am to
I support your post in concept but it's pretty naive.


The reason the gop doesn't address these issues is because they would get eaten alive by the media for being sexist. The modern left thinks "men's rights activists" are essentially women haters, racists, and nazis.
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 8:47 am
Posted by vodkacop
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
7863 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:54 am to
Nah its pretty bad if you look at the optics. Are you saying a woman should have an abortion if you, only half and the least important half, doesnt want to be involved? You can always ask to give up all paternal rights and never be involved. You probably still have to pay
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:58 am to
quote:


The reason the gop doesn't address these issues is because they would get eaten alive by the media for being sexist. The modern left thinks "men's rights activists" are essentially women haters, racists, and nazis.


They said the same thing about Trump. It obviously doesn't matter anymore.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:59 am to
It matters. Not everyone can deal with that like Trump can
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:00 am to
(no message)
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13501 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:02 am to
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I'll say - My granddaughter divorced an abusive husband about five years ago - when he stared abusing the two kids and the dog in his rants.

First I’m sorry for the kids and dog. They had and have no say in this situation. I have sympathy for your granddaughter; she is suffering the consequences of a very poor decision. She chose to marry and reproduce with a man who is: abusive, financially irresponsible, negligent, vindictive, and a drunk. Surely he didn’t fall and hit his head on the honeymoon and suddenly experience a personality change?

Obviously he is behind on child support. Has she tried to get sole custody until he brings the debt current? Also, when the children become young teens they can petition the court to end his visitation rights. Finally, we both know that this dumb arse (2 DWIs) doesn’t care about the law and will not honor the court ruling of an alternative driver. Hire a PI or have friends and family stake him out and video him driving the kids around. The important thing is protecting the kids. Also, teach them good decision making so that they do not make the same error of their mother.
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:02 am to

Trump is one of the only politicians who could even breach the subject with zero backlash.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50731 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:35 am to
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29720 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:49 am to
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In matters of child custody, Louisiana has eliminated what was called the “maternal preference” rule and both father and mother have equal rights to child custody
this seems to be a trend
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29720 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:50 am to
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I'm sure I could find more, but it is definitely a widespread problem.

disgusting that this is allowed
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 9:50 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:08 am to
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Here's a case from Texas.
That is not remotely on point.

This guy got sued for support, and he ignored the Citation that was served upon him. He claims that he did not receive it, but two different hearings separated by YEARS found otherwise (one a hearing on his original default and a second recent hearing).

Texas judges look SERIOUSLY at proper service before granting default judgments.

If a court had found that he was not served back in the day, the case would start over, the DNA would be admissible, and he would owe no support.

Instead, he got sued, ignored it, had a judgment taken against him and wants a do-over many years down the line.

The lesson here is “Do not ignore the Citation when You Get Sued.”
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 10:13 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41766 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:29 am to
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Well let me ask you. What does the GOP mean to you.
It used to mean smaller government and individual-oriented solutions to issues rather than government-oriented solutions.

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Also. What is the best way to address the aforementioned problems
I'll play.

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1. If a woman gets pregnant, she has the option of abortion or birth.

However, a man is stuck with whatever decision. He has no say in abortion and if she decides on birth, he has no legal way to get out of child support if he doesn't want kids.
The GOP position has generally been anti-abortion. If abortion were illegal except in the case of a mother's life being in danger, it wouldn't matter if men had a say or not in that because neither would the woman.

If abortion were mostly illegal, it would make sense to force fathers to care for their children. There wouldn't be any inequity given that he played a part in the conception of the child. Both parents should care for their children.

Just as I say to women who want abortion for convenience, I say the same thing to men who don't want to raise or at least provide for a child they produced: if you didn't want a child, don't participate in child-making activities. I don't generally support making it easier for people to stop taking responsibility for their actions.

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2. Alimony is a dated concept. The fact that a person of either gender can not properly take care of themselves and is owed money from a spouse is a direct violation against Republicanism in general. If put in any other context, its welfare.
The point of alimony (traditionally) was to provide additional incentive for husbands to not leave their wives or do something to wreck the marriage (which would hopefully lead to a better family situation and better adjusted children, which would lead to a better society overall), as well as provide a means of support for women who couldn't support themselves. Women didn't usually work outside the home and had no marketable skills or opportunities to make money to provide for themselves and their children if their husbands abandoned them, which is why alimony was helpful.

You could argue that alimony isn't a necessity these days when so many women work and can provide for themselves if they get divorced. I'd be in favor of changing those laws to look at individual family situations where one spouse isn't working or is unable to work to provide for themselves and/or children after the divorce. Alimony should go both ways, but I'm in favor of it when the "innocent" spouse doesn't have the ability to earn enough money right away. It should be a deterrent to divorce, IMO, as divorce is typically a destructive practice for children and overall family values.

BTW, Republicans aren't against "welfare" in general, but government-provided welfare. We are in favor of charitable giving and helping those in need through individual and societal donations. It's a bit of a bait and switch to say that Republicans shouldn't be in favor of this because it would be "welfare" if the government was the one doing it. That differentiation makes all the difference. It's like when leftists say charity and tax-funded "assistance" by the government are the same thing; they are not.

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3. Judges should not have the power to annul a legally binding Prenuptial Agreement. Only if the document in question violates another law or was prepared outside legal jurisdiction.
I'm not familiar with this scenario. Why would a judge annul a legally binding prenup that doesn't violate another law or was prepared outside legal jurisdiction? What justifications have been given?
Posted by RebelExpress38
In your base, killin your dudes
Member since Apr 2012
13594 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:38 am to
Man does have the option to not have unprotected sex. Or even *gasp* abstain from sex with someone he doesn’t want to get pregnant, or until he wants to get her pregnant.

The whole argument around abortion is so stupid. Actions have consequences, we have fallen so hard as a culture that we promote banging anyone who wants it but then when shockingly it turns out to have terrible societal results when millions of people get unwanted pregnancies, and we act like this cannot be avoided.

Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13635 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:41 am to
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I'd suggest more men put some serious thought into who they procreate with, instead of relying on politicians to bail them out of bad choices.




Or at least no glove no love.
Posted by TigerBlazer
Member since Aug 2016
837 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:49 am to
So you want to have a say so in whether or not she keeps the baby, but you also want the option not to pay for the baby if she decides to keep it (and for whatever reason you don't).

Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 10:57 am to
I agree men get the short end of the stick in family court, but I don't agree with any of your points. The big problem for men is getting custody, even joint custody or having to pay child support despite having joint custody.

Posted by Smart Post
Member since Feb 2018
3539 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:00 am to
The theme of your posts is often "why don't you evil Republicans clean up the mess Democrats created and save them from themselves."
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 11:02 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50731 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:04 am to
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That is not remotely on point.

This guy got sued for support, and he ignored the Citation that was served upon him. He claims that he did not receive it, but two different hearings separated by YEARS found otherwise (one a hearing on his original default and a second recent hearing).

Texas judges look SERIOUSLY at proper service before granting default judgments.

If a court had found that he was not served back in the day, the case would start over, the DNA would be admissible, and he would owe no support.

Instead, he got sued, ignored it, had a judgment taken against him and wants a do-over many years down the line.

The lesson here is “Do not ignore the Citation when You Get Sued.”



None of this should be relevant if the child isn't his. The fact that DNA would ever not be admissible for custody and child support cases is outrageous.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 8/30/18 at 11:06 am to
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None of this should be relevant if the child isn't his. The fact that DNA would ever not be admissible for custody and child support cases is outrageous.
I disagree. You don’t get to keep repeatedly trying the same case until you like the results. You get one chance. He had his chance and chose to ignore it. Stupid games, stupid prizes.

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