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re: Why do people that buy into conspiracy theories suspend all logic and common sense?

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Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:15 am to
And the ones we believe are the ones that have been proven by the government (as with Church Committee, Watergate Committee) or the mainstream media (Gary Webb, Woodward & Bernstein).

Now that we don't trust these institutions anymore, can we ever prove CT's to consensus satisfaction?
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:18 am
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:16 am to
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Tom Hanks


There's no less than a half dozen of Hanks accusers as well as a dead actor Isaac Kappy that dimed him out.

So...? It's not a conspiracy theory it's an allegation.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:17 am to
And Pedo Island is bad enough. But how many of us envisioned an island filled with swank parties and sex slaves and Marquis De Sade shite?

The realities of world evil may sometimes look like this, but usually it's probably a little more dull, a little grittier, a little more manipulation and mental abuse and less chains and rituals and slavery.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:18 am to
How many times a week do you eat pizza for lunch?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:19 am to
It's no more preposterous than an American media and real estate mogul being a secret Russian spy who duped the government and people into electing him president so he can do Putin's bidding as he rapes his way though the entire DC cocktail waitress trade.

It's no more unbelievable than the idea that police across America are engaged in a secret plot to hunt black children like wild game.

It's more believable than the theory that greenhouse gasses will consume the earth into a ball of fire in 12 years if we don't ban planes and buildings.


The Epstien stuff is real enough to keep my mind open. Had you told me 5 years ago that Alan Dersowitz and Prince Andrew were banging teens on a private island in the Caribbean, I'd have called you insane.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:23 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:19 am to
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Now that we don't trust these institutions anymore, can we ever prove CT's a consensus satisfaction?

sure, but we're so desensitized to what a "conspiracy theory" is anymore, it's gotta be so big and bold that it's probably fairly tough

for example, Russia-gate. there was enough in there for a reasonable CT to have been proven. but no, we can't be reasonable with our CTs anymore. it has to be Russia blackmailing Trump to be their puppet AND hacking his competition (via tertiary associates that used secondary associates that we have a history with for PR's sake to release the information) AND all the international spying going on making the contacts abroad...etc
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:20 am to
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Our government and media lies to us every day. If we had an honest government and press, the number of people who believe conspiracy theories would be far less.


I mean, every single war the US has entered since the Spanish-American War has been on the backs of a lie or a false flag (not touching the war in Afghanistan). All of them.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:25 am
Posted by Mrwhodat
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:21 am to
Star Wars franchise is going to get a needed facelift according to conspiracy theorists:



This is how you discredit any legitimate concern or investigation.

You simply create a bunch of lunatic claims to contaminate the real ones.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:21 am to
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Now that we don't trust these institutions anymore, can we ever prove CT's to consensus satisfaction?



We're post-truth now, which fricks us on both ends.

We don't trust our institutions or leaders (with some good reason). But we also will never be fully vindicated in our beliefs about them, because

1) Our beliefs are overblown, as shown in this thread. Our opponents may be bad folks, but they're not as hyperbolically bad as we've claimed.

2) There is no neutral arbiter of truth left (or no illusion of one, even) that can create the bombshell revelation we crave. And we'll go nuts over some incomplete half-truth we want to be a bombshell, so naturally nobody listens to us when something that genuinely should get a few weeks of national attention is revealed.
Posted by NashvilleTider
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:21 am to
The Pentagon literally admitted that they have off world crafts and have had them for 50 years. They literally are saying UFOs are real those exact words.

Maybe you are the one who has a problem with reality.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:21 am to
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Have any conspiracies ever occured? Name a couple. How long after the event did it become known?

I think about Operation Ajax, Project ARTICHOKE, Project MKUltra, etc.... people didn't find out about these until 20 years after the fact right? An I believe the only reason people found out was due to Watergate.

But hey, those were 70 years ago before computers, nothing like that would ever happen now. Right?


Thank God JFK didn't sign off on Operation Northwoods. It was signed by everyone, all the way up to the Joint Chief of Staff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:22 am to
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1) Our beliefs are overblown, as shown in this thread. Our opponents may be bad folks, but they're not as hyperbolically bad as we've claimed.

2) There is no neutral arbiter of truth left (or no illusion of one, even) that can create the bombshell revelation we crave. And we'll go nuts over some incomplete half-truth we want to be a bombshell, so naturally nobody listens to us when something that genuinely should get a few weeks of national attention is revealed.

you can add in the effects of social media in combining the issues of 1 and 2 as well. it's warped how we process information, see ourselves, see others, and just the entire existential status of living in a developed/abundant society today. ETA and the ability to spread the information so easily
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:28 am
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:25 am to
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The Epstien stuff is real enough to keep my mind open. Had you told be 5 years ago that Alan Dersowitz and Prince Andrew were banging teens on a private island in the Caribbean, I'd have called you insane.



Would you really? If so, why? Part of it has to be how it was conveyed, no?

If you told me celebrities and powerful men were banging sex slaves on a luxurious private island, I'd be skeptical. Nothing would really surprise me, but it sounds too sensationalized.

But if you told me an 80 year old well-known lawyer had sex a few times with a 17 year old girl who knew her way around rich men - not that crazy, is it?
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:29 am to
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you can add in the effects of social media in combining the issues of 1 and 2 as well. it's warped how we process information, see ourselves, see others, and just the entire existential status of living in a developed/abundant society today



Yes. I know I sound like a cranky old man who hates technology (I love technology) - but social media is having disastrous impacts on our societies. It's a performance space for the worst elements of human nature.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:29 am to
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Some conspiracy theories are true and others are false. But Sheryl Atkisson in her book Smear explains that a basic tactic of left wing journalists is to label embarrassing discoveries as 'conspiracy theories' when they know the charge is true.


The entire term, "conspiracy theory" was created by the CIA to delegitimize people calling out corruption and dissuade people from searching for the truth. It has worked to perfection.
Posted by TigerDoc
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:30 am to
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We're post-truth now, which fricks us on both ends.

We don't trust our institutions or leaders (with some good reason). But we also will never be fully vindicated in our beliefs about them, because

1) Our beliefs are overblown, as shown in this thread. Our opponents may be bad folks, but they're not as hyperbolically bad as we've claimed.

2) There is no neutral arbiter of truth left (or no illusion of one, even) that can create the bombshell revelation we crave. And we'll go nuts over some incomplete half-truth we want to be a bombshell, so naturally nobody listens to us when something that genuinely should get a few weeks of national attention is revealed.


This is pretty much where I'm at. We were able to uncover conspiracies in Government in the 1960's/70's because we still had enough confidence in the media and Congress to expel a president and uncover assassination plots by the CIA, weird mind-control experiments, the FBI blackmailing MLK to kill himself, etc. We capable now of almost infinite suspicion, but there are multiple publics each with their own different epistemic authorities.
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:33 am
Posted by kingbob
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:31 am to
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I love the gov't conspiracies the best. They all require a level of competency and coordination that is virtually impossible in a private, well run organization. The same people that can't balance a budget or deliver a letter can coordinate with Aliens and keep it secret.

well different agencies (and different levels of those agencies) have clearly shown different levels of competencies

the CIA has legit installed dictators and overthrown governments. hell, the CIA has been busted selling drugs

there are lots of conspiracy theories that have been proven to be true over time. it's just not ALL of them


I mean, if 20 years ago you accused the CIA of trafficking coke, you were a conspiracy theorist. Now, it’s a major motion picture starting Tom Cruse that’s “based on a true story”. Same is true for the CIA having explored mind control experiments and psychic warfare (The Men who Stares at Goats).

Here’s a list of some truly crazy conspiracy theories proven 100% true via government disclosures or wikileaks over the last 12 years:
1. The government spies on all citizens without warrants using their keystrokes and internet data. They can use this to acquire opposition research for political parties as well as in falsified warrants to justify sham criminal investigations.

2. The U.S. military used cloud seeding and other weather control technology to significantly extend the rainy season in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War in an attempt to wash out the Ho-Chi Minh trail to curb the smuggling of weapons, supplies, and fighters to Viet Cong soldiers in South Vietnam.

3. The U.S. government intentionally spread radioactive material in urban, low-income, predominantly black neighborhoods to study the effects of nuclear fallout on populations. This study resulted in significant increases in cancers and birth defects in these populations, causing many many deaths which were never compensated for.

4. The U.S. military knows about the existence of UFO’s, does not know their origin, and is in possession of multiple crafts which crashed to earth and were recovered by government officials.

5. The CIA, through Operation Mockingbird, purposefully and systematically installed intelligence agents inside of print and televised news organizations to influence news stories and content to drive agendas and keep disclosures which would impact their operations out of the public discourse.

6. The CIA coined the term “conspiracy theorist” in order to ridicule and discredit individuals who questioned the results and findings of the Warrant Report.

7. News organizations purposefully killed stories detailing evidence of criminal activities by a billionaire pedophile despite having evidence the stories were 100% accurate, documented, and provable.

8. The Catholic Church engaged in massive orchestrated cover-ups of pedophilia, rapes, and accusations of molestation committed by clergy members. Rather than discipline or de-frocking these priests for wrongdoing, they were instead simply moved around to different Parishes and victims were threatened or coerced into silence.

These would all have gotten you laughed at as a paranoid conspiracy theorist as recently as 2006. They’re all true. Imagine what will be true tomorrow?
This post was edited on 8/4/20 at 10:33 am
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:31 am to
This thread absolutely reeks of someone trying to convince themselves and anyone who will listen that none of this shite is true. But the funny thing is that to anyone with open eyes this shite is as real as it gets.

@ someone trying to convince people that conspiracy theories aren't real in the year 2020 when a new "conspiracy theory" is proven true about once a week.
Posted by Froman
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Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:31 am to
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Why do people that buy into conspiracy theories suspend all logic and common sense?


Bringing this here is like asking a psychopath why they are a psychopath. You are going to get a lot of suspended logic and no common sense in the responses.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 10:31 am to
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The Pentagon literally admitted that they have off world crafts and have had them for 50 years. They literally are saying UFOs are real those exact words.

Maybe you are the one who has a problem with reality.


I never even made a comment about that. I have no idea what you are talking about.
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