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re: Where do you guess the UK would rank as a US state in terms of gdp per capita?

Posted on 5/9/26 at 10:42 am to
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 5/9/26 at 10:42 am to
It is a fully published study anyone can access not a TSSCI document from my days in the army

It just cost money for most people for the entire thing like I said which is 30$ I think. I will link you to the platform in a moment or two when im done making lunch and get back to my desktop. Probably 30 minutes about.
This post was edited on 5/9/26 at 10:45 am
Posted by RelicBatches86
Florida
Member since Nov 2024
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Posted on 5/9/26 at 10:43 am to
It's 51st.


But the Northeast leads in most per capita statistics .. the state of Mississipi should learn from New England instead of lordng over the UK



Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 5/9/26 at 10:44 am to
51, outside of London the Brits are in poverty.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
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Posted on 5/9/26 at 9:47 pm to
They poor.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55608 posts
Posted on 5/9/26 at 10:19 pm to
I swear, the lowest road deaths surprises me. I drive the backroads in the UK all the time. They’ll have a 65 mph speed limit on a 6” wide road that turns 360 degrees in 12 feet. Oh, yeah, with stone walls a foot from the edge of the road.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 5/10/26 at 4:11 am to
The biggest shock to me is their tax on middle income. If you make $51K you get hit with 40% income tax.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 5/10/26 at 4:17 am to
quote:

According to Grok:

The combined United Kingdom would rank roughly around the middle-to-upper tier of U.S. states on GDP per capita.

Approximate comparison:

UK GDP per capita: around $52k-$55k
U.S. state equivalents:
Around Illinois
Similar to Minnesota
Below wealthy states like Massachusetts, New York, California, Washington

So in state rankings, the UK would probably land somewhere around 15th-25th depending on the exact year and source.

A lot of Americans assume the UK would rank near the top because London is so globally important, but outside southeast England the UK economy per person is much more average by U.S. state standards.
Interesting.

1) This is proof positive that full reliance on AI is a very bad idea, especially in a circumstance where the facts are so simply attained.
2) Relative to your "According to Grok" post, Grok claims it would never respond as you described.
quote:

@Grok:
If one were to ask "Where would the UK rank in per capita income among the US states," would you ever give this response to the question:

"The combined United Kingdom would rank roughly around the middle-to-upper tier of U.S. states on GDP per capita.
Approximate comparison:
UK GDP per capita: around $52k-$55k
U.S. state equivalents:
Around Illinois
Similar to Minnesota
Below wealthy states like Massachusetts, New York, California, Washington
So in state rankings, the UK would probably land somewhere around 15th-25th depending on the exact year and source.
A lot of Americans assume the UK would rank near the top because London is so globally important, but outside southeast England the UK economy per person is much more average by U.S. state standards."

???




Thought for 3s

No, I would not give that response. It is factually incorrect based on current data.


Accurate Comparison (Nominal GDP per Capita, Recent/2025 Figures)UK: Approximately $53,000–$61,000 (World Bank 2024: ~$53.2k; IMF 2025 projection: ~$61k).

data.worldbank.org

US States (2025):Lowest: Mississippi ~$55,877.
Next: West Virginia ~$61,873, Arkansas ~$63,700.
Many mid-tier states (e.g., Illinois ~$95k, Minnesota ~$91k) are far higher.

en.wikipedia.org

The UK sits at or just below Mississippi's level, placing it 50th or 51st (dead last or second-to-last) if treated as the 51st state. It is nowhere near the middle-to-upper tier (15th–25th) or comparable to Illinois/Minnesota.

newsweek.com

The proposed response overstates the UK's position by roughly 20–30 places and misaligns it with much wealthier states. This error likely stems from:Using outdated data.
Mixing nominal vs. PPP (purchasing power parity) figures.
Regional cherry-picking (e.g., focusing only on Southeast England/London).
Confusing GDP per capita with other metrics.

London is wealthy, but the combined United Kingdom (including lower-productivity regions) pulls the national average down significantly. US states show wide variation too, but even "poorer" ones like Mississippi edge out or match the UK average in nominal terms, while the US overall (~$85k–$94k) is substantially higher.

newsweek.com

I aim for accuracy on empirical questions like this, so I would stick to the evidence: the UK would rank near the bottom, not the middle. Data sources (BEA for states, IMF/World Bank for UK) consistently support this.
So, though I believe you, Grok is saying it never said what you claim it did.
Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/10/26 at 4:27 am to
Not only the UK but also based on 2026 International Monetary Fund (IMF) and U.S. economic data, Germany, Canada, France, and Italy all rank at or near the very bottom when placed alongside individual U.S. states.
Posted by BCvol
Member since Jan 2022
508 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:01 am to
Europeans are lazy pussies. From Grok..............



Americans work ~250–450 more hours per year than workers in major Western European countries like Germany, France, or the UK.
That's the equivalent of 6 to 11 extra weeks of full-time work annually.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30152 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:05 am to
Generative AI has yet to prove any need to exist other than people want to try to get filthy rich off of it.

Also sorry ball guy I got doing stuff in the yard yesterday forgot to post your thing. I will do it today when I get a moment on my desktop I’m on mobile atm. If you’re still interested bookmark this thread or check back if it stays on page 1
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:25 am to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63821 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:31 am to
quote:

Americans work ~250–450 more hours per year than workers in major Western European countries like Germany, France, or the UK.
That's the equivalent of 6 to 11 extra weeks of full-time work annually.


This isn’t a flex, Americans.
Posted by uaslick
Tuscaloosa
Member since May 2011
1300 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:37 am to
quote:

I work at a Uni in Georgia as a professor and researcher and im staring at a data from 6 weeks ago. Would you like to see it? Since you dont have access via


quote:

30$


quote:

Professor


This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 6:38 am
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30152 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:38 am to
Neither is 25% of your country being on disability and not working and thats only counting disability paid out to known people in the country. Add illegals because they get welfare too there its likely 35%

No wonder their GDP grows like .1% a year if at all
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63821 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:41 am to
quote:

Neither is 25% of your country being on disability and not working and thats only counting disability paid out to known people in the country. Add illegals because they get welfare too there its likely 35%

No wonder their GDP grows like .1% a year if at all


K. Not sure how that relates to me statement, but whatever.

In my experience, most of the UK and the EU’s GDP issues stem from their regulatory environment. They need to address that, but that will never happen. Kind of like how if the left in the U.S. would drop their horrible race and crime policies they’d never lose another election.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:46 am to
That cherry-picked set of stats just shows how large our underclass is.

Which makes the PCGDP that much more impressive, b/c we have that huge underclass dragging us down and we still lap the UK.

It doesn't show what you think it's showing.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30152 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:48 am to
Republicans have had more presidents in our history than democrats but sure they would be unstoppable

Dem party is also 30 years older. Embarrassing
This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 6:49 am
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63821 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:50 am to
quote:

Republicans have had more presidents in our history than democrats but sure they would be unstoppable

Dem party is also 30 years older. Embarrassing


So the frick what? How does that change what I said? What kind of professor are you, professor? You seem like an odd one, and very persnickety.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30152 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:51 am to
You said theyd never lose another election. I think youre wrong and just laid out why I think that.

Also im more on the research side. I rarely do more than 3 courses for a semester teaching.
This post was edited on 5/10/26 at 6:54 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477244 posts
Posted on 5/10/26 at 6:52 am to
quote:

You said theyd never lose another election.

In this thread? Where?
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