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re: What's scary is that people are too stupid to understand how scary the Colorado ruling i

Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:56 am to
Posted by VOR
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:56 am to
If SCOTUS affirms, it will pave the way for other states, no doubt.
Posted by Dday63
Member since Sep 2014
2393 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:02 am to
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Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you have a brain or an ounce of morals, this should chill you to your core.


I think anyone who sees this ruling as chilling, nefarious, or any other hyperbolic adjective you want to use, doesn't understand the legal basis of the ruling.

I posted in another thread, so I won't repeat the details here. The Colorado Supreme Court is not making up its own qualifications for President. The Court is attempting to enforce Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which disqualifies insurrectionists from holding political offices.

I believe SCOTUS will rule Colorado is misinterpreting the Amendment. But what CO has done isn't crazy. And has the support of a lot of Constitutional scholars.
Posted by midnight_chopper
Member since Mar 2018
734 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:06 am to
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The Court is attempting to enforce Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which disqualifies insurrectionists from holding political offices.


Did I miss where they even charged Trump with insurrection, much less convict him of it?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44313 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:09 am to
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If SCOTUS affirms, it will pave the way for other states, no doubt.


Yes…towards a one party authoritarian state.

Just like Nazi Germany, or the Communist countries (including the CCP).


Serious question, do you support the removal of Trump from the ballot?
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
14723 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:09 am to
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Context?



What are the qualifications to run for President?
Do Bogus charges disqualify a candidate.
We know there was cheating in the election.
We know the Speaker of the house shirked her duties.
We know that the FBI, Wray, aided in the "Insurrection".


Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:13 am to
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Serious question, do you support the removal of Trump from the ballot?


Of course he does, by any means necessary, legit or not.

The question is, does he have the guts to admit it.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:48 am to
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If SCOTUS affirms, it will pave the way for other states, no doubt.


What caused you to go full Nazi?
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
38042 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:12 am to
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What's scary is that people are too stupid to understand how scary the Colorado 

Suppose they'd be fine with every Red State saying "we didn't majority vote for Biden, so we don't recognize him as President and won't put him on the ballot this time around".

Not a good look. Our Constitutional Republic is made up of many State Democracies. Denying the people the right to choose between two (or more) of the nationally qualified candidates is both oppressive and dystopian.

But oppressive and dystopian is the SOP of the Establishment Uniparty and their totalitarian, Etatist ideology.
Posted by LSUMANINVA
West Virginia
Member since Sep 2004
9523 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:22 am to
It sums up why this country is going down the drain.
Posted by reddy tiger
Mandeville
Member since Aug 2012
1602 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:34 am to
Colorado judges are being faithful to the constitution.

Trump, knowing full well that he lost, rallied a bunch of gullible morons to disrupt the transfer of power- for the first time in American history.

No one that has critically and objectively assessed the evidence thinks the election was stolen. Including multiple Trump judges and officials. It’s a false premise used by Trump to foment insurrection.

He’s a traitor.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21925 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 7:59 pm to
Posted by Bossier City Boss
Member since Dec 2023
33 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:05 pm to
The same people that weren't alarmed by the tyrannical covid lockdowns & vax mandates.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8440 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:13 pm to
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I think anyone who sees this ruling as chilling, nefarious, or any other hyperbolic adjective you want to use, doesn't understand the legal basis of the ruling.


Just frickin stop you idiot!

The trial court, without a jury and using a civil standard effectively convicted trump of a federal crime defined by a federal statute- yet they didn't

They created their own definition and the judge found him civilly liable with the effect of removing a constitutional right from a person without sue process
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
13560 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:15 pm to
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Trump, knowing full well that he lost, rallied a bunch of gullible morons to disrupt the transfer of power- for the first time in American history.

Posted by AquaAg84
Member since May 2013
3874 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:18 pm to
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Did I miss where they even charged Trump with insurrection, much less convict him of it?


Exactly - but Dday and ilk already assume guilt w/o conviction. Soooo 'Democratic'.....
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:21 pm
Posted by AquaAg84
Member since May 2013
3874 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:20 pm to
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Context?


Context is that you are a flaming idiot.
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1050 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:27 pm to
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I think anyone who sees this ruling as chilling, nefarious, or any other hyperbolic adjective you want to use, doesn't understand the legal basis of the ruling.


You have gone from engaging the point to insulting those that disagree with you or the ruling.

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I posted in another thread, so I won't repeat the details here. The Colorado Supreme Court is not making up its own qualifications for President. The Court is attempting to enforce Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which disqualifies insurrectionists from holding political offices.


I responded to you in another thread. I don't like making the hyperbolic claims of "anyone" as you do above, but I expect that most of the people you see discussing this item do understand that all the rulings are based on Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

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I believe SCOTUS will rule Colorado is misinterpreting the Amendment. But what CO has done isn't crazy. And has the support of a lot of Constitutional scholars.


And a lot of Constitutional Scholars do not believe that the Colorado decision has the necessary legal support. Indeed, if we count jurists, then its tied in Colorado. When we factor in other states, then most jurists have not found the application to be disqualifying. Now those jurists may have had a different basis for their decisions, but your cited law review article would have empowered them, indeed mandated, that they make a different conclusion.

It isn't about name dropping a scholar or a popular vote. Those that see the problems in implementation (and I'm not sure they are using "chilling" or "nefarious") are doing so based on the implications of the decision, their own potentially sound legal reasoning, and the weight of the overuse of the legal system to try to impact what should be a matter of popular vote.
This post was edited on 12/20/23 at 8:29 pm
Posted by Big Jim Slade
Member since Oct 2016
6341 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 8:51 pm to
The same Libs cheering the Colorado decision as an exercise of states’ rights think the states should not be allowed to exercise their own rights as to abortion.
Posted by beaux duke
Member since Oct 2023
4911 posts
Posted on 12/20/23 at 9:11 pm to
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What caused you to go full Nazi?


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