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re: What Would Biden/Dems Do Different Than Trump In Handling Chinavirus
Posted on 7/27/20 at 8:02 am to Tyrusrex
Posted on 7/27/20 at 8:02 am to Tyrusrex
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1. Biden would've done a much better job of mandating wearing a mask. It's taken Trump 4 months to wear one in public and to say wearing a mask is important. One just have to look at some of East Asian Countries like Singapore, South Korea, and Japan to see how wearing masks have done for them (hint a lot lot better).
Not the federal gov's job or place to do this
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2. Biden would've been much more proacitve in identifying and isolating cases. Trump has done a very poor job in isolating and identifying who was infected. Though this is only based on how he and Obama did with Ebola. Trump has done a very poor job with identifying who has Covid. Even Today people are often waiting up to 3 weeks to know if they have covid or not.
Again not the fed gov job or place to do this
Your dumbass doesn't even know how our gov structure works
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4. Biden wouldn't have wasted time on stupid drugs like Hydroxychloraquine. This drug didn't work and just wasted doctor's time.
Go read the latest studies on this drug idiot
Posted on 7/27/20 at 8:04 am to chalmetteowl
quote:Except for flights in from China. What does a lockdown with teeth look like and how is it enforced?
don’t forget that we would have had lockdowns with teeth right away
quote:How much per person would have been enough to have us get through the lockdown? Arent rent and eviction freezes already in effect and about to get renewed?
the public would have gotten enough stimulus to go through them. We’d have rent mortgage and eviction freezes
I recall Biden making a big announcement from his basement a few months ago about what he'd do in response to COVID and most of it was what Trump had already done two weeks prior.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 8:05 am to GusAU
hopefully the virus will be subsiding by November or a vaccine has been developed but in any event if Biden is elected it won't be any difference, but they will blame Trump for it.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 8:07 am to GusAU
If she had won, the virus never would have needed to have been released.
China would have gotten everything they wanted from her.
The Kung flu was released to hurt Trump.
They must regain power then punish us.
China would have gotten everything they wanted from her.
The Kung flu was released to hurt Trump.
They must regain power then punish us.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 8:13 am to GusAU
Think of everything Trump has or hasn’t done that’s led to this disaster.
Now think of the opposite of those things.
Now think of the opposite of those things.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 8:14 am
Posted on 7/27/20 at 8:16 am to TejasHorn
Imagine being so arrogant or dictatorial in philosophy that you believe one human being can somehow stop a pandemic.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 8:19 am to GusAU
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What Would Biden/Dems Do Different Than Trump In Handling Chinavirus
It's not what Biden/Dem would do different, it's what the MSM would do different.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 8:22 am to TejasHorn
quote:It is no surprise to anyone on this board that this is the only level of thinking of which you are capable.
Think of everything Trump has or hasn’t done that’s led to this disaster.
Now think of the opposite of those things
Posted on 7/27/20 at 8:55 am to TejasHorn
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Think of everything Trump has or hasn’t done that’s led to this disaster.
Now think of the opposite of those things.
hahahahahahaha
you fricking moron
Biden listed what he would do and Trump has already done EVERYTHING he listed.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:14 am to GusAU
I think this question doesn’t take into account how incredibly atypical the Trump administration’s handling of the crisis has been. So I won’t answer this question in terms of what Biden would do, but rather what pretty much every “name” politician, left or right, in America and to be frank, the rest of the Western world would do.
1. Start earlier. Other countries were tooling up back in February and we were not, as at the time the administration’s perspective was that this wasn’t’ a big deal and would just go away.
2. Manage this national crisis nationally. The largest deviation from the norm has been this choice. This idea of states running the full show on their own has been ill-advised and again, atypical. Sure, many decisions would necessarily be left to the state due to federalism, but in other situations the Feds would be putting a tremendous amount of pressure on the states to follow the national strategy. And since most states
a. Lack specific expertise in infectious disease control
b. Are deeply at the federal trough as a result of the economic damage
c. Don’t have the infrastructure in place to execute a plan anyway
In most administrations, the head of the CDC would be the most famous man in the country right now. Preventing and failing that managing our way through a crisis such as this is literally why we have a CDC. Most of the state public health officials across the countries fumbling around and effing it up is in part due to them being the B or C team. The A team is at or should be at the CDC and the CDC has been completely MIA. Either Redfield can’t do the job, in which case the administration should have gotten rid of him months ago, or they won’t let him do the job. But let’s be clear, the job is running the show on development of our national COVID strategy and its execution. And here we are, pretty much in August, and we still don’t have a national COVID strategy. Trump should be in Redfield’s arse every single day saying, “every other rich country has this thing under control, name your price in terms of resources, but solve this now or I’ll get someone who can.”
That lack of strategy is why go from hither to dither on masks, openings, closings, etc. Once you have the decision to have a national strategy, solving problems that cross state borders (PPE, testing capacity, healthcare resources in March-May; Testing throughput, contact tracing, small business support, unemployment $$) becomes easier. Now, even when we have a common goal like opening schools, we still don’t have a playbook that will guide states about what must happen to actualize that goal. Every other right country has this. If you want to open schools in September, do a-z in Jun-Aug. That’s what’s been missing. -the steps required to get to goals. We have chosen not to have a strategy and we’ve not coincidentally done worse than pretty much all of the rich countries.
Ask yourself this, in 15 years when sars-cov-3 hits and begins to bubble around the world. Is there any country on earth that will look at our performance and try to emulate our choices?
1. Start earlier. Other countries were tooling up back in February and we were not, as at the time the administration’s perspective was that this wasn’t’ a big deal and would just go away.
2. Manage this national crisis nationally. The largest deviation from the norm has been this choice. This idea of states running the full show on their own has been ill-advised and again, atypical. Sure, many decisions would necessarily be left to the state due to federalism, but in other situations the Feds would be putting a tremendous amount of pressure on the states to follow the national strategy. And since most states
a. Lack specific expertise in infectious disease control
b. Are deeply at the federal trough as a result of the economic damage
c. Don’t have the infrastructure in place to execute a plan anyway
In most administrations, the head of the CDC would be the most famous man in the country right now. Preventing and failing that managing our way through a crisis such as this is literally why we have a CDC. Most of the state public health officials across the countries fumbling around and effing it up is in part due to them being the B or C team. The A team is at or should be at the CDC and the CDC has been completely MIA. Either Redfield can’t do the job, in which case the administration should have gotten rid of him months ago, or they won’t let him do the job. But let’s be clear, the job is running the show on development of our national COVID strategy and its execution. And here we are, pretty much in August, and we still don’t have a national COVID strategy. Trump should be in Redfield’s arse every single day saying, “every other rich country has this thing under control, name your price in terms of resources, but solve this now or I’ll get someone who can.”
That lack of strategy is why go from hither to dither on masks, openings, closings, etc. Once you have the decision to have a national strategy, solving problems that cross state borders (PPE, testing capacity, healthcare resources in March-May; Testing throughput, contact tracing, small business support, unemployment $$) becomes easier. Now, even when we have a common goal like opening schools, we still don’t have a playbook that will guide states about what must happen to actualize that goal. Every other right country has this. If you want to open schools in September, do a-z in Jun-Aug. That’s what’s been missing. -the steps required to get to goals. We have chosen not to have a strategy and we’ve not coincidentally done worse than pretty much all of the rich countries.
Ask yourself this, in 15 years when sars-cov-3 hits and begins to bubble around the world. Is there any country on earth that will look at our performance and try to emulate our choices?
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:28 am to longwayfromLA
quote:Wrong right off the bat.
1. Start earlier. Other countries were tooling up back in February and we were not
quote:Atypical? How often has this happened in order to know what is typical? You don't understand how the government works. But the srates are not "running the full show."
Manage this national crisis nationally. The largest deviation from the norm has been this choice. This idea of states running the full show on their own has been ill-advised and again, atypical
quote:Completely wrong. Even Louisiana has epidemiologists.
And since most states
a. Lack specific expertise in infectious disease control
Your post is terrible.
Let's examine what the most prominent Democrat who dealt with the pandemic did. Cuomo had empty hospital ships in NY harbor and rather than use those, he sent infected elderly back to nursing homes which lead to additional wildfire spread in those facilities.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 9:31 am
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:31 am to GusAU
They would declare it over and take a victory lap.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 9:54 am to Jake88
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Wrong right off the bat.
Other countries certainly acted with urgency in February that we lacked.
quote:
Atypical? How often has this happened in order to know what is typical? You don't understand how the government works. But the srates are not "running the full show."
In the last 30 years we have had HIV in the 80s, anthrax attacks in 2001, SARS in 2002, swine flu in 2009, Ebola in 2014, and now COVID-19. In all of those cases, the CDC was point on managing the outbreak. Again, this situation is the CDC's raison d'etre.
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Completely wrong. Even Louisiana has epidemiologists.
Yes. I believe I addressed this when talking about the B & C team. Which is not necessarily a shot at Louisiana specifically, just that the CDC would have more expertise
than public health officials in say, Idaho. If not, what's the point of the CDC.
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Let's examine what the most prominent Democrat who dealt with the pandemic did. Cuomo had empty hospital ships in NY harbor and rather than use those, he sent infected elderly back to nursing homes which lead to additional wildfire spread in those facilities.
You have the timeline on this wrong and that's not what happened with nursing homes it was mainly healthcare workers going back and forth without PPE that did them in(still incredibly dumb by Coumo). But this is sort of my point. Cuomo has no specific expertise in this kind of thing and there is no expectation that he should. Same for DeSantis or Abbott. Same for Trump to be frank. That's what the CDC is for. It was in the national interest that NY get it right in March. Especially back in March when the outbreak was confined mainly to the Northeast, the CDC should have been dictating EVERYTHING. I sat in on a number of calls with public health officials in NY. They were begging for CDC guidance that never came on all kinds of issues.
Stepping back, it seems like your argument is that you agree with Trump that it isn't his job to manage this crisis nationally. Others may feel that the Centers for Disease Control should be at the center for controlling this disease.
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 9:56 am
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:00 am to longwayfromLA
quote:even if we did, would it matter if half the people think the virus is a hoax regardless of the plans we have in place to deal with it?
We have chosen not to have a strategy and we’ve not coincidentally done worse than pretty much all of the rich countries.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:08 am to chalmetteowl
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even if we did, would it matter if half the people think the virus is a hoax regardless of the plans we have in place to deal with it?
A key part of the execution of any strategy is communication plans. The hoax thing sprung up here because there was, let's be kind and call it inconsistent communications in Feb-Jun. If top to bottom of the administration was hammering the same message consistently then the "this is all hoax thing" would not have broken through so easily.
Other countries have had much less disease and haven't had this problem.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:08 am to GusAU
Raise taxes and enact the green new deal. Ban fracking and issue new regulations on big oil. Go after pharmaceutical companies and enact stiff penalties on them. Tax retirement plans like 401ks out of existence. Trial lawyers will have more opportunities to sue for exposures to Covid.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:13 am to Tyrusrex
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1. Biden would've done a much better job of mandating wearing a mask. It's taken Trump 4 months to wear one in public and to say wearing a mask is important. One just have to look at some of East Asian Countries like Singapore, South Korea, and Japan to see how wearing masks have done for them (hint a lot lot better). 2. Biden would've been much more proacitve in identifying and isolating cases. Trump has done a very poor job in isolating and identifying who was infected. Though this is only based on how he and Obama did with Ebola. Trump has done a very poor job with identifying who has Covid. Even Today people are often waiting up to 3 weeks to know if they have covid or not. 3. Hopefully, there be enough PPE for all the medical personal out there. I know there was a shortage of PPE left over from Obama but the Obama administration did warn Trump about it and Trump did have 3 years to replenish supplies and didn't. 4. Biden wouldn't have wasted time on stupid drugs like Hydroxychloraquine. This drug didn't work and just wasted doctor's time. this isn't to say that Biden wouldn't have made these errors or others. But Trump has been awful. I just wonder what might've been if we had a competent leader like New Zealand, South Korea, or Germany.
this might be the funniest damn post I read.. holy hell
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:26 am to obdobd918
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Faucci would have told everyone to be careful, do safe distancing and everything else remains normal because its just another seasonal flu like we have every single year.
FIFY
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People who are FOR killing unborn children have no problem with people dying so their agenda can be implemented. Their agenda is greater to them than any life. No life matters to them.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:29 am to GusAU
quote:
What Would Biden/Dems Do Different Than Trump In Handling Chinavirus
They would instantly put everyone under house arrest infinitely.
Posted on 7/27/20 at 10:32 am to RBTiger
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If Biden or Hilliary were President the numbers would likely be counted differently like they were in 09' for SARS. Instead of t he PIC (Pneumonia; Influenza; Covid) death numbers over 140,000 now with #Orange Man Bad...they might only 25,000
The Media would cover for them in kid gloves
This.
The only difference would be that the Ministry of Propaganda (US social and mass media) would be promulgating propaganda of praise and acclaim at the wonderful Response of Our Dear Leader, the Democrat POTUS.
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