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Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
About the same responsibility that the non-covid patients that occupy one of the ICU beds that smoked all their lives, drank whiskey their entire adult lives, acquired diabetes from poor eating habits, or the drunk driver that survived an MVA.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:21 am to GRTiger
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. Your choice to hyper focus on one action based on false or faulty stories, at this point in time (nowhere near the height of hospitalizations in the country) begs the inference that you would be fine with mandates and punitive consequences.
And that inference is incorrect and driven by groupthink and NPC responses.
Just because people of this particular mindset are primed to respond a certain way doesn't make the response correct or rational.
Now, does it seem that way to them? Yes, because they're in a cult or bubble, depending on how you want to describe them.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:22 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Earl is worst company than tigerdoc
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:quote:Yeah and this thread isn't the place for that particular discussion.
doesn’t eliminate the fact that obesity, smoking, drug abuse, crime, poorly educated etc., is taking resources that could be used for things not impacted by poor personal decisions
quote:quote:This may have just won the thread.
Please apply to obesity, drug overdoses, smoking, abortion, Antifa’s actions, illegal immigrants, challenging police cause someone felt disrespected, failing to get educated, etc. Why apply personal responsibility to only select things that bother you?. fricking hypocrite.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:22 am to Diamondawg
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About the same responsibility that the non-covid patients that occupy one of the ICU beds that smoked all their lives, drank whiskey their entire adult lives, acquired diabetes from poor eating habits, or the drunk driver that survived an MVA.
It's like...you're programed to respond this way.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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It cannot because it has no applicability to the specific premise of my OP
Derp derp derp derp derp
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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Only for this thread's discussion.
Please, do not address the point I'm trying to make in any way that I don't approve of first. I will let you know which analogies, if any, are acceptable.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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Yeah and this thread isn't the place for that particular discussion.
Your particular discussion is navel-gazing about 1) the hypothetical denial of care that hasn’t happened or 2) a delay in care or a wish by a family member or healthcare worker that “things would’ve gone better.”
Neither of those are real quandaries which exist anywhere other than your and TigerDoc’s fevered imagination. Not being able to transfer to your most favoritest hospital isn’t a denial of care. People dying in a hospital isn’t denial of care.
Your Quixotic thread has been weighed in the balance and found lacking.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:spoken like a true libertarian...oh wait.
Yeah and this thread isn't the place for that particular discussion
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:23 am to Turbeauxdog
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Earl is worst company than tigerdoc
This is 2005-2007 pre-woke Les, when we would describe the failures of the other Les (Miles) to an audience unwilling to listen.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
What responsibility do people that do not pay for their health care when they deny others healthcare?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:can you give us the years you were pre woke?
This is 2005-2007 pre-woke Les, when we would describe the failures of the other Les (Miles) to an audience unwilling to listen.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:24 am to Flats
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Please, do not address the point I'm trying to make in any way that I don't approve of first.
I was just trying to avoid NPC responses.
It appears you are unable to respond without them.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:25 am to hashtag
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spoken like a true libertarian...oh wait.
Did I make a law?
And Libertarians are the absolute worst at requiring rules in discussions.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:it's like..your desperate efforts for as much totalitarian control as possible, even as it nears genicidal in philosophy is what you are programmed to seek
It's like...you're programed to respond this way.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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I was just trying to avoid NPC responses.
You were trying to avoid looking like a hypocrite. This is a take on the "everything is whataboutism" stuff the TDS crowd was doing for 4 years. It was a shitty take then, it's a shitty take now.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:27 am to TigerDoc
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but I haven't heard anyone really rebut his main point which is that it's basically good for individuals to choose low-risk health choices to help avoid large public health problems where individual failure to do so predictably results in major problems for others.
I have no proof that sprinkling salt over my left shoulder does anything for covid, but I don't have any proof that it doesn't. Will you join me in doing this every morning? I have a bigger list of low risk things to do that I will share later
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
asked in another thread, but it fits here.
The market created additional healthcare resources when they were needed in 2020... when conditions were exponentially worse than they are now. Why are liberals debating denying life-saving healthcare based on vaccine status, and not talking about field hospitals and overflow facilities that got us through the last surge? Why are hospitals firing nurses for not vaxxing if resources are so thin already?
This has NOTHING to do with resources and everything to do with the reality that covid has become the single largest profit center for any American healthcare facility. As long as the system is "strained", those enhanced medicare funds keep flowing in. We'll be just like Israel... everyone vaxxed and boosted and the hospitals are still "overrun". The money train chugs along...
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Its the same thing most hospital administrators are saying. But then again, COVID is VERY good for business, so I'd expect nothing less.
Now ask them how they've managed to find themselves without beds when 75% of adults are now immunized from a less deadly strain that has only a 12% infection rate and hospitalization rate of 2%? Ask them how they found beds in an environment where NO ONE was vaccinated and there were 70% more daily cases and double the deaths with a more deadly strain?
The market created additional healthcare resources when they were needed in 2020... when conditions were exponentially worse than they are now. Why are liberals debating denying life-saving healthcare based on vaccine status, and not talking about field hospitals and overflow facilities that got us through the last surge? Why are hospitals firing nurses for not vaxxing if resources are so thin already?
This has NOTHING to do with resources and everything to do with the reality that covid has become the single largest profit center for any American healthcare facility. As long as the system is "strained", those enhanced medicare funds keep flowing in. We'll be just like Israel... everyone vaxxed and boosted and the hospitals are still "overrun". The money train chugs along...
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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groupthink and NPC responses.
Irony
Interestingly, I posted my thoughts on this and it was never addressed.
Because, you're all in on the group.
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