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re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
i'm not sure what happened to you, SFP. You used to just be a clown that seemed like you were doing it for the lulz. Now, you're turning into a Marxist and can't even recognize it. Probably one of the most baffling turns on this site I've seen in the past 16 years. Congrats.
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:30 am to Flats
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You were trying to avoid looking like a hypocrite.
Yep
For the good of society! You must be "responsible" (which means follow authority)
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
You are not doing nearly as well in this thread as your snarky replies would suggest.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Interestingly, I posted my thoughts on this and it was never addressed.
Your responses are off the rails and purely emotional
When you denied that "personal responsibility" was a right-centric ideal, you invalidated anything else.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
I haven’t read through the entire thread, but I’ll respond with a personal anecdote.
My uncle was a remarkable man. First member of my father’s family to attend Auburn (then API) in 1948. Served his country in the Navy for 25 years, rising to command a nuclear sub before his retirement in 1978. Started a successful tax preparation business, first in CT then NC. Was actively involved in the theatre and the arts. Survived prostate cancer in 1995. Outlived two wives, both of whom died in his arms. Moved back to his hometown of Prattville, AL in the summer of 2018 just after his 90th birthday. Immediately embraced his old community and volunteered for his church and other charities. His only significant health issue was his heart, which he addressed by eating healthy, following his doctors recommendations, and remaining physically active. People decades younger than him were amazed at his energy and endurance.
One evening in May of 2020, after nearly two months of lockdown, he started complaining to his younger sister of heart palpitations, along with weakness in his arms and indigestion - classic signs of an imminent cardiomyopathic event. My aunt said, “you need to go to the ER and get checked out, I’ll come get you”, to which my uncle replied, “oh no, I’m not gonna risk getting Covid in that ER - I’ll walk to my doctor’s in the morning and take care of it.”
You probably can guess how this turned out. My uncle never made it to his doctors office. My aunt found him the next morning, face down on his bedroom floor, clothes laid out on his bed and cup of lukewarm coffee on his nightstand.
Sure, you say, the old boy had a great long life and died a good death, without lingering in some ICU for weeks, which he would have absolutely hated. And my family and I take some comfort in that. But he was a robust, clear thinking and potentially good for another few productive years (his mother lived to just shy of 100) and his fear of Covid, no matter how rational it might appear, may have robbed him (and us) of that.
My question is - does the OP take any personal responsibility for helping to propogate the atmosphere of fear that caused him to die?
My uncle was a remarkable man. First member of my father’s family to attend Auburn (then API) in 1948. Served his country in the Navy for 25 years, rising to command a nuclear sub before his retirement in 1978. Started a successful tax preparation business, first in CT then NC. Was actively involved in the theatre and the arts. Survived prostate cancer in 1995. Outlived two wives, both of whom died in his arms. Moved back to his hometown of Prattville, AL in the summer of 2018 just after his 90th birthday. Immediately embraced his old community and volunteered for his church and other charities. His only significant health issue was his heart, which he addressed by eating healthy, following his doctors recommendations, and remaining physically active. People decades younger than him were amazed at his energy and endurance.
One evening in May of 2020, after nearly two months of lockdown, he started complaining to his younger sister of heart palpitations, along with weakness in his arms and indigestion - classic signs of an imminent cardiomyopathic event. My aunt said, “you need to go to the ER and get checked out, I’ll come get you”, to which my uncle replied, “oh no, I’m not gonna risk getting Covid in that ER - I’ll walk to my doctor’s in the morning and take care of it.”
You probably can guess how this turned out. My uncle never made it to his doctors office. My aunt found him the next morning, face down on his bedroom floor, clothes laid out on his bed and cup of lukewarm coffee on his nightstand.
Sure, you say, the old boy had a great long life and died a good death, without lingering in some ICU for weeks, which he would have absolutely hated. And my family and I take some comfort in that. But he was a robust, clear thinking and potentially good for another few productive years (his mother lived to just shy of 100) and his fear of Covid, no matter how rational it might appear, may have robbed him (and us) of that.
My question is - does the OP take any personal responsibility for helping to propogate the atmosphere of fear that caused him to die?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Interestingly, I posted my thoughts on this and it was never addressed.
He has stopped responding to substantive responses and is now trying to make himself feel smarter than the polloi.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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And that inference is incorrect and driven by groupthink and NPC responses.
It's driven by your inability to articulate a point.
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Just because people of this particular mindset are primed to respond a certain way doesn't make the response correct or rational.
If a certain response to your OP is pervasive, it's likely due to your OP. This isn't a hard concept.
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Now, does it seem that way to them? Yes, because they're in a cult or bubble, depending on how you want to describe them.
And believing all the ills of the world are because of the lack of a 100% vaccinated rate for a specific, generally mild virus is not cultish or bubble thought?
You aren't even sure who specifically you're attacking with your morality measurement, are you? You look at a hospital report that says 80% of those in the ICU tested positive for covid, and because you lack (as well do) any additional context, that entire group is now considered to have broken your morality clause. Do you really think all of those people counted are in the hospital because of what covid did to them?
You're screaming at the clouds in a way. I'll take your word for it that you aren't for mandates or punishment for the unvaxxed, but that still leaves us with a long thread that you imply has no real point other than to virtue signal. Is that a fairer assessment, or am I still an NPC cult member?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:32 am to hashtag
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Now, you're turning into a Marxist and can't even recognize it.
In a thread where I proposed no regulations on people, I'm a Marxist
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i'm not sure what happened to you,
I didn't change. This board has gone batshit crazy
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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In a thread where I proposed no regulations on people
Other than limiting what can be discussed in this thread....
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Except that I had the vaccine. I have never once argued for nor against getting the vaccine. It should always be a personal choice and trying to shame someone into getting one "simply because" is ridiculous.
It's like...you're programed to respond this way.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:33 am to Flats
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You were trying to avoid looking like a hypocrite
No. Those are separate discussions.
The insistence on relying on NPC memes as responses shows just how far gone many of you are in terms of belief systems.
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This is a take on the "everything is whataboutism" stuff the TDS crowd was doing for 4 years.
I am limiting the possibilities of whataboutism by trying to keep the discussion focused. Y'all keep trying to expand it into whattaboutism ("what about the smokers!!!" and the obese!!!")
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
Dude, take your L like a man.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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I didn't change. This board has gone batshit crazy
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:34 am to hashtag
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you're turning into a Marxist and can't even recognize it.
he's a former Leftist, those ideas die hard.
Personal responsibility is personal. That's it.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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The insistence on relying on NPC memes as responses
They aren't memes. They are legit counter arguments to the bullshite in your OP. you're broken
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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I didn't change.
For the good of society
Sure chief
The white girl mafia will love you though.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:36 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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No. Those are separate discussions.
Nope. I know why you'd like them to be, but nope.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:36 am to Flats
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Nope. I know why you'd like them to be, but nope.
I know you are but what am I?!?!?
We're at 3rd grade responses in this thread
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:37 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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If you have an unwanted pregnancy or sexually transmitted disease and you end up taking up hospital resources, you're ultimately denying healthcare to others. This is a zero-sum game at this point and there is no way around that fact.
This completely removes the "personal healthcare decision" argument from the table. If your choices lead to a negative outcome to others, then your choices are well beyond just a personal choice. This is the part of the argument that many people who refuse to practice safe sex refuse to admit (For obvious reasons. Nobody wants to admit that they're a villain).
Lets all play the stupid what if game!!!!
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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Nope. I know why you'd like them to be, but nope.
I know you are but what am I?!?!?
We're at 3rd grade responses in this thread
You're supposedly a lawyer, right?
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