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re: What responsibility do hospitalized, unvaxed people bear when they deny others healthcare?
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:10 am to TigerDoc
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:10 am to TigerDoc
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but I haven't heard anyone really rebut his main point which is that it's basically good for individuals to choose low-risk health choices to help avoid large public health problems where individual failure to do so predictably results in major problems for others.
Because there isn't one, rationally at least.
That's why you see the same NPC responses that this thread became, even when OP specifically addressed them.
This should start a new segment: NPC and Strawman TOTD
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:10 am to GRTiger
It's a low-risk choice for that young healthy person individually, but with the R and the IFR of this virus and the population immunity we have, it's a high-risk choice for others.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:11 am to TigerDoc
Except that he explicitly asks us to ignore the myriad other life choices that put a greater strain on our healthcare system. Sfp is not a moron but he does take silly positions from time to time. This one was waaaay below his pay grade.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:11 am to c on z
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They didn’t trust Trump’s rollout of the vaccine.
Liar.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:12 am to RogerTheShrubber
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it literally goes against everything he's pretended to claim over the past 10 years.
Again, I'm libertarian which is based in individualism and personal responsibility.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:12 am to TigerDoc
quote:for the previously infected and recovered.
It's a low-risk choice
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:12 am to fisherscatfan
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Please apply to obesity, drug overdoses, smoking, abortion, Antifa’s actions, illegal immigrants, challenging police cause someone felt disrespected, failing to get educated, etc. Why apply personal responsibility to only select things that bother you?. fricking hypocrite.
This may have just won the thread.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm libertarian
For the good of society!
Sure +wink+
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because there isn't one, rationally at least.
That's why you see the same NPC responses that this thread became, even when OP specifically addressed them.
This should start a new segment: NPC and Strawman TOTD
When you're teaming up with renowned loon and conspiracy theorist tigerdoc, it's time to take your L
Your inanity has been eviscerated in this thread, you don't recognize it because you're broken.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:14 am to 3lsu3
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This one was waaaay below his pay grade.
He'll back off at some point and pretend it was an experiment.
But his "for the good of society" statement has him locked in.
No coming back from that.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:15 am to TigerDoc
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it's a high-risk choice for others.
Use your personal responsibility to protect yourself and stop wanting to force others to do it for you.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:16 am to Ripley
If the fact is
The lowest percentage rate of those being vaccinated are black and brown.
And the highest percentage rate of those hospitalized are the unvaccinated must equal Blacks and Browns.
The highest percentage of Democrat thoughtless voters are black and brown ....
Why not put the majority of unvaccinated infected in hospital tents in the parking lot, leaving the beds to patients that need other procedures done thus letting what has become a useless military care for them ....considering that most Doctors in the military are those that couldn't make it in the outside world .....Plug all patients into a ventilator and the professional care to the staff that is employed by the hospital?
Killing two birds with one stone so to speak ...An intentional downsizing of the though less voter in this country along with pretend Doctors that ask the question enlisted or officer? Good, large stiches ....."Mash"
The lowest percentage rate of those being vaccinated are black and brown.
And the highest percentage rate of those hospitalized are the unvaccinated must equal Blacks and Browns.
The highest percentage of Democrat thoughtless voters are black and brown ....
Why not put the majority of unvaccinated infected in hospital tents in the parking lot, leaving the beds to patients that need other procedures done thus letting what has become a useless military care for them ....considering that most Doctors in the military are those that couldn't make it in the outside world .....Plug all patients into a ventilator and the professional care to the staff that is employed by the hospital?
Killing two birds with one stone so to speak ...An intentional downsizing of the though less voter in this country along with pretend Doctors that ask the question enlisted or officer? Good, large stiches ....."Mash"
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:16 am to Turbeauxdog
I apologize to SFP for agreeing with him. 
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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This was already addressed in OP.
No it wasn’t. Just because you say it isn’t the same doesn’t eliminate the fact that obesity, smoking, drug abuse, crime, poorly educated etc., is taking resources that could be used for things not impacted by poor personal decisions.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:18 am to 3lsu3
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Except that he explicitly asks us to ignore the myriad other life choices that put a greater strain on our healthcare system
Only for this thread's discussion.
And people could not do this.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:18 am to the808bass
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Naw. There’s no cost to a five year old thinking that they might die because their mask slipped. It’s all $0.
Yeah, frick him for not being able to recognize that. In a thread about harming others, SFP pushing his point of view on masks. That point of view had done a TON of harm.
But, that's SFP. If he doesn't have a personal way of viewing something, he has no ability to discern reasonability. And, he's VERY willing to leap to extremes based on his ignorance.
In short, he's just a simple-minded, arrogant person. Those are the worst.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:19 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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Nothing?
I never discussed mandates or regulations on the unvaxxed. That's an emotional-irrational straw man posted on repeat in this thread.
It's an attempt for people to determine your point. Every person in this country does things that would break your ambiguous morality threshold. Your choice to hyper focus on one action based on false or faulty stories, at this point in time (nowhere near the height of hospitalizations in the country) begs the inference that you would be fine with mandates and punitive consequences. If that's wrong, then you're just enjoying the proverbial sound of your own voice.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:19 am to TigerDoc
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I apologize to SFP for agreeing with him.
There is an old rule from the rant days. "When Lester Earl and SFP agree, then they're right"
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:19 am to SlowFlowPro
It invalidates your premise. For many reasons.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:20 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:19 am to fisherscatfan
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Just because you say it isn’t the same doesn’t eliminate the fact that obesity, smoking, drug abuse, crime, poorly educated etc., is taking resources that could be used for things not impacted by poor personal decisions.
Yeah and this thread isn't the place for that particular discussion.
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