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re: What makes people more likely to be really into conspiracy theories?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 2:57 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 2:57 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
I think it’s the desire to search for truth or alternative explanations and it’s not a bad thing. Many conspiracy theories are in sound logic with evidence to support it. Others are way out there.
However we should never blindly accept things as we are told because sometimes it is lies and sometimes it’s believed to be true but was simply incorrect. Sometimes the “crazies” do turn out to be right. There’s nothing wrong with questioning things, that’s how truth and knowledge is attained
However we should never blindly accept things as we are told because sometimes it is lies and sometimes it’s believed to be true but was simply incorrect. Sometimes the “crazies” do turn out to be right. There’s nothing wrong with questioning things, that’s how truth and knowledge is attained
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 2:59 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
Iran Contra
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Tell me which CT you came up with on your own and weren't told by someone else, please.
1. That some of the LSU “concern trolls” are actually paid “analysts“ at Bama.
2. That by not requiring a signature, or date, on mail in ballots in Pennsylvania, especially when they can be turned up to three days after the Election Day, it creates issues that could allow for the theft of said election. I even showed a picture of an off site stamp machine that can date an envelope, which can then be used later.
3. That ignoring / dismissing ambulatory care for Covid was being done for motives that weren’t related to health outcomes. Other people may have come to a similar mindset at roughly the same time, but my thought process was driven by research and asking questions. For instance...not using daily Cialis in addition to traditional blood thinners. They work differently and could limit the impacts from clotting. Instead...this combo (while safe) is not being used as a means to mitigate those issues. Why not?
Those are off of the top of my head...
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:02 pm to Deactived
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Who killed jfk?
The most convincing argument I've heard is the USSR
The CIA was not the behemoth then that it is now, and a better idea of the CIA's strategy was the great success known as the Bay of Pigs invasion.
A little later they had the infamous MK Ultra, which was a huge fail.
Nobody has promoted the CIA like the CIA. Their absolute best role is infiltrating news organizations who then promote the idea of the CIA as this competent, threatening, all-powerful agency.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. Why won't you answer the question?
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don't think that you are thinking for yourself in the first place
I said there are people who think for themselves… Which you seemed to have a hard to believing.
Do you not have original thoughts?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:03 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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here are levels to being into conspiracy theories. it's a very overused term.
some people are pretty agnostic toward any given theory but like to read about/discuss them, and some people completely let them consume their lives.
I think you can't reject conspiracy theorizing as an activity because conspiracies are well-attested in history and politics (Caesar's assassination, Watergate, etc.) and so if you believe conventional historical accounts you believe conspiracies occurred. And if you don't believe conventional historical accounts, then you must believe the evidence in the historical record is false and perpetrated as a conspiracy, in which case you're still a CT-ist.
I think your point is really important. Entertaining ideas and even some kinds of mild endorsement can be miles away from acting on theories (e.g. attacking people you think are responsible).
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:04 pm to Robin Masters
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I said there are people who think for themselves… Which you seemed to have a hard to believing.
I clearly said that I think you don't think for yourself.
Only you.
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Do you not have original thoughts?
Sure. I do. I don't think that you do.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:09 pm to deltaland
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I think it’s the desire to search for truth or alternative explanations and it’s not a bad thing. Many conspiracy theories are in sound logic with evidence to support it. Others are way out there.
However we should never blindly accept things as we are told because sometimes it is lies and sometimes it’s believed to be true but was simply incorrect. Sometimes the “crazies” do turn out to be right. There’s nothing wrong with questioning things, that’s how truth and knowledge is attained
That's all solid stuff, but I'll always be more of an Occam's razor type of guy myself and I will always think that people who don't find any value in Occam's razor are sort of nutty and on the fruitcake side.
Doesn't mean that I "blindly believe everything I'm told." Just means that Occam's razor makes a lot of sense to me as someone who understands their own biases and limitations and my tendency to get carried away sometimes. Occam's razor is a good grounding principle!
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:10 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
The commonality between conspiracy theorists is that the world doesn’t work for them. Things didn’t go their way. They are social rejects.
And they blame anyone but themselves.
And they blame anyone but themselves.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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clearly said that I think you don't think for yourself. Only you. quote:Do you not have original thoughts? Sure. I do. I don't think that you do.
Hubris and poor reading comprehension is a dangerous combination. Good luck with that.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:12 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
Seeing conspiracy theories proven true in real time.
Watching every media outlet lie about details of an event they themselves witnessed personally.
Watching every media outlet lie about details of an event they themselves witnessed personally.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:14 pm to Robin Masters
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Hubris and poor reading comprehension is a dangerous combination.
Least shocking, self-unaware post in history
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:14 pm to TigerDoc
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those are good ones. Related to the existential/group-identity function is a political function to rally relatively disempowered people, explain to themselves why they're struggling, and bind them together against a common opponent (if it's democratic politics) or enemy.
A prime example is SEC football message boards. A lot of fans of other SEC teams swear that the referees have an Alabama bias and they intentionally give Alabama more good calls.
They also think that ESPN and the media have an intentional Alabama bias. There aren't more positive Alabama stories and highlights and segments just because Alabama is the best team and news consumers love winners. It's because the media has a concerted and intentional bias that's holding other programs in the SEC back.
This helps fans of other teams explain away why their program can't beat Alabama and how their team is being "held back by the man."
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:14 pm to bayoubengals88
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he commonality between conspiracy theorists is that the world doesn’t work for them. Things didn’t go their way. They are social rejects. And they blame anyone but themselves.
Remember that time conspiracy theorists wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence. What a bunch of social rejects.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:15 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
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What makes people more likely to be really into conspiracy theories?
corrupt organizations being proven to doing exactly what was said they did yet it was called a silly conspiracy theory by the MSM
i gotta admit, i didnt give a second thought to the silly conspiracy theories about 9/11, but after all we have seen the last few years, it gives anyone paying attention reason to pause and rethink if all of it was just silly conspiracy theories
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Least shocking, self-unaware post in history
You’re mad now.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:19 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
When your government creates 9/11, the Iraq War, Covid, wars in Ukraine, spies on you, assassinates Presidents, spies on and frames outsider Presidents, etc
On top of all of that, when your CIA director defines conspiracy theory
On top of all of that, when your CIA director defines conspiracy theory
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:19 pm to bayoubengals88
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The commonality between conspiracy theorists is that the world doesn’t work for them. Things didn’t go their way. They are social rejects. And they blame anyone but themselves.
There's some truth to this, but it reminds me of the saying "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you" and the point of some the posts in this thread are that sometimes you're warranted to believe theories because people have been out to get you. I think that needs a little modification because you should still only believe on the evidence, but you can see why it might be rational for people to believe despite lack of evidence due to past experiences.
There's a conspiracist sort of mindset that can develop where people start to see excessive connections between things, even going to extremes in seeing all things being connected, there being no accidents/random events, and everything happening for a reason at which point you start connecting all CT's and everything else together and you're on your way to TPA land.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
I gotcha.
No possibility of the mafia, the fed, or some other domestic group here?
No possibility of the mafia, the fed, or some other domestic group here?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:it’s like a psyop inception
Nobody has promoted the CIA like the CIA. Their absolute best role is infiltrating news organizations who then promote the idea of the CIA as this competent, threatening, all-powerful agency.
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