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re: What makes people more likely to be really into conspiracy theories?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The most convincing argument I've heard is the USSR
The CIA was not the behemoth then that it is now, and a better idea of the CIA's strategy was the great success known as the Bay of Pigs invasion.
A little later they had the infamous MK Ultra, which was a huge fail.
Nobody has promoted the CIA like the CIA. Their absolute best role is infiltrating news organizations who then promote the idea of the CIA as this competent, threatening, all-powerful agency.
So much bullshite in one post, you definitely didn't grow brain during Christmas
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:24 pm to TigerDoc
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me truth to this, but it reminds me of the saying "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get you" and the point of some the posts in this thread are that
Powerful people coalescing more power isn’t paranoia or conspiracy theory, it’s the theme of human civilization.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:25 pm to Robin Masters
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Remember that time conspiracy theorists wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence.
Wtf?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:27 pm to Robin Masters
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Powerful people coalescing more power isn’t paranoia or conspiracy theory, it’s the theme of human civilization.
Yes, but you still have to get the details right. Just because power conspires against the public doesn't mean you're warranted to believe any given CT. You have to get right who power is and what specifically they're doing. There are reasons we should believe in Watergate and not in "The NWO is concealing the true flat shape of the earth"
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:28 pm to Robin Masters
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You’re mad now.
Yes, posting funny gifs and laughing is a sure sign of me being mad.
You've abandoned even trying to respond and you're just going with "melt" as your response.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:29 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
Isolation. There's a lot of evidence that people into conspiracy theories have few friends and little in-person human contact.
As a result, they have a warped view of human nature. They fail to understand that every human being has a conscience, an almost no one is self-consciously evil. All evidence suggests that even Hitler and Stalin thought that they were doing good.
So, then these people think that something like HYDRA is possible. They go from your more common stuff like the idea that the Chinese, with the help of Hugo Chavez's ghost, stole the 2020 election (with tens of thousands of American happily committing felonies and risking prison terms); to idea that doctors and scientists who've devoted their entire lives to fighting disease turned evil and promoted vaccines that will enable mind control through 5G; to the point where my mother is, where she believes that the earth is flat, the moon landings were faked, and that Natural News is the best source of information about the world.
My mom lives in a completely different alternate universe. Every single year for the last fifteen years, she's been panicked that the next Great Depression is about to happen. She bought a truck made in 1972 so that she'll have a vehicle after the EMP destroys the electronics on all modern vehicles and renders them inoperable. She forwards warnings to me about the thousands of guillotines that have been distributed across the country for the immediate executions of Christians and conservatives, or about the 500,000 Chinese-backed narcotroops that are about to come across the US border and conquer the border states.
Folks, don't go down that route and willingly destroy your mind. Don't even let yourself believe that the referees are biased against your team, because they aren't.
As a result, they have a warped view of human nature. They fail to understand that every human being has a conscience, an almost no one is self-consciously evil. All evidence suggests that even Hitler and Stalin thought that they were doing good.
So, then these people think that something like HYDRA is possible. They go from your more common stuff like the idea that the Chinese, with the help of Hugo Chavez's ghost, stole the 2020 election (with tens of thousands of American happily committing felonies and risking prison terms); to idea that doctors and scientists who've devoted their entire lives to fighting disease turned evil and promoted vaccines that will enable mind control through 5G; to the point where my mother is, where she believes that the earth is flat, the moon landings were faked, and that Natural News is the best source of information about the world.
My mom lives in a completely different alternate universe. Every single year for the last fifteen years, she's been panicked that the next Great Depression is about to happen. She bought a truck made in 1972 so that she'll have a vehicle after the EMP destroys the electronics on all modern vehicles and renders them inoperable. She forwards warnings to me about the thousands of guillotines that have been distributed across the country for the immediate executions of Christians and conservatives, or about the 500,000 Chinese-backed narcotroops that are about to come across the US border and conquer the border states.
Folks, don't go down that route and willingly destroy your mind. Don't even let yourself believe that the referees are biased against your team, because they aren't.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:29 pm to BayouBlitz
He was being sarcastic, but what's ironic is the Declaration of Independence is motivated by a major CT about the King's and Parliament's motivations to exploit the colonies (when we don't have evidence for that - what we know about the King & Parliament's motivations were for the colonists to pay for the massive expense of defending them in the 7 Years War).
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:29 pm to Robin Masters
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Remember that time conspiracy theorists wrote and signed the Declaration of Independence. What a bunch of social rejects.
Im going to need you to elaborate on this.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:31 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
I’d for real love a breakdown as to why so many conservatives are conspiracy theorists. You could argue that a lot of them are just dumb, but there’s intelligent people I know that believe some super bonkers shite, and all are super MAGA.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:34 pm to Deactived
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No possibility of the mafia, the fed,
The fed doesn't have the manpower to do that
The mafia? Possible. My dad was really big into that. I don't think they had the power and if people were helping Oswold, they had to have connections with the USSR. CIA could do that, but the mafia? They had just worked with the government to thwart Nazis. I just can't imagine they would flip and coordinate with the USSR to kill the President.
In full honesty, the only variable that makes me think the JFK assassination was anything more than LHO acting alone is the Russia-Cuba stuff.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:35 pm to Kjnstkmn
Lot of cognitive dissonance in this thread
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:36 pm to Hurricane Mike
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So much bullshite in one post, you definitely didn't grow brain during Christmas
Nice refutation.
Now tell me how amazing the CIA is and all their huge successes. Even in modern times. Remember the WMDs in Iraq?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
Sorry to hear that about your mom. Almost everyone has a relative who has really over-subscribed to a conspiratorial worldview. There sometimes seems like there's a sort of a epistemic-gravitational event horizon where when you go beyond it, your willingness or ability to attribute causes to open motivations or randomness goes out the window.
It especially seems to happen after you're willing to attribute conspiratorial agency to a nefarious "them" who is not specified. It's like a seal is broken - after you attribute one nefarious event to "them", why aren't you warranted to attribute almost anything else mysterious to "them".
Your epistemic anxiety probably fades away and why would you want to go back to an existence where you don't understand the causes of things?
It especially seems to happen after you're willing to attribute conspiratorial agency to a nefarious "them" who is not specified. It's like a seal is broken - after you attribute one nefarious event to "them", why aren't you warranted to attribute almost anything else mysterious to "them".
Your epistemic anxiety probably fades away and why would you want to go back to an existence where you don't understand the causes of things?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:36 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
I wouldn't consider myself a conspiracy theorist, but I really don't believe hardly a damn thing the government tells me either
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
Your dumb RINO arse lives in the war thread.
You live and breathe every bit of bullshite that supports your views.
GTFO.
You live and breathe every bit of bullshite that supports your views.
GTFO.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:37 pm to TigerDoc
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Yes, but you still have to get the details right. Just because power conspires against the public doesn't mean you're warranted to believe any given CT. You have to get right who power is and what specifically they're doing. There are reasons we should believe in Watergate and not in "The NWO is concealing the true flat shape of the earth"
When the motives and end goals are predicated on the myth that those in power care about our best interest why is it incumbent on me to disprove every nuance of their story? I don’t have that much time. I just assume it’s bullshite.
If you lie to me several times in a row and I know you are trying to screw me I quit listening to the details. What’s the point?
Why do you need to believe people in power care about you?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:38 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
I would venture to say that 99% of the posters on the Poli Talk Board are conspiracy theorists.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:39 pm to OweO
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Im going to need you to elaborate on this.
I’m guessing you haven’t read the D of I before.
The vast majority is a theory on how the king is conspiring to frick over the colonies.
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The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers. He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures. He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world: For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury: For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies: For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation. He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:40 pm to Froman
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I’d for real love a breakdown as to why so many conservatives are conspiracy theorists.
Boomers and older Gen X did 2 things:
1. Found social media and online message boards after Trump's social media success in 2016
2. Lost power and started to realize it
There are a ton of discredited CTs on the Left, too. Like Trump's Russian collusion.
What is going on is this: polarity is the path to authoritarianism, and people who proliferate messaging on both sides are creating a polar society. Conspiracy theories are going to be created and proliferated and, with the internet, this occurs in large numbers. They seek the standard conflict themes: (1) making your side seem not only righteous, but the only possible way out of our current hell and (2) dehumanizing the other. You create a loud enough echo chamber with these 2 concepts and mass murder becomes acceptable.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:40 pm to Bryno1960
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I would venture to say that 99% of the posters on the Poli Talk Board are conspiracy theorists.
hijack: how many conspiracy theorists on here that don't believe we landed on the moon but believe pro 'rasslin' is real?
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