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re: What have we gained? RE: Iran War
Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:43 am to 4cubbies
Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:43 am to 4cubbies
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I’m starting to think this might be us.
Then you should definitely leave. You'd enjoy living in Iran with all their feminist freedoms there.
Anybody who thinks that the world would be a better place with French or Canadian or Iranian or Israeli (for that matter) or Chinese or Russian hegemony being primary in the world is too foolish to engage on this.
And yes, someone has to exert primary hegemony. There's no such thing as just pulling up the drawbridge and ignoring the rest of the world. Again, anybody who thinks otherwise needs to keep their highly foolish opinions to themselves, as they do not possess a minimum of acumen to discuss the matter.
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Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:44 am to wackatimesthree
I assume that means you’ve been hoping for a war in Iran for years now.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:44 am to hubertcumberdale
Based on the business executive delegation in China:
1) China never really recovered from the Trump I trade war that Biden mostly held firm on or even slightly enhanced (EV 100% tariff) + COVID.
2) They need more energy than the US but now VZ is a puppet state and Iran has bottled up the gulf.
3) The best way forward for them is to let US financialization into their economy because their population saves too much money and can’t get the returns they could with USD convertibility. This is why Blackrock and others were with trump.
4) US is actively divesting from Taiwan semiconductor. That is why Tim Cook was there fresh off news that Apple is going to essentially subsidize Intel on last-gen fabrication in the US until they can get the R&D to be TSMC’s peer as a fabricator. We are going to let them have Taiwan over the next decade in exchange for them ending USD non-convertibility on their domestic wealth.
1) China never really recovered from the Trump I trade war that Biden mostly held firm on or even slightly enhanced (EV 100% tariff) + COVID.
2) They need more energy than the US but now VZ is a puppet state and Iran has bottled up the gulf.
3) The best way forward for them is to let US financialization into their economy because their population saves too much money and can’t get the returns they could with USD convertibility. This is why Blackrock and others were with trump.
4) US is actively divesting from Taiwan semiconductor. That is why Tim Cook was there fresh off news that Apple is going to essentially subsidize Intel on last-gen fabrication in the US until they can get the R&D to be TSMC’s peer as a fabricator. We are going to let them have Taiwan over the next decade in exchange for them ending USD non-convertibility on their domestic wealth.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:45 am to Smartyjones70
You are getting good with the alters. Faster and faster reboot. Nice.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:46 am to 4cubbies
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I assume that means you’ve been hoping for a war in Iran for years now.
Expecting.
Even as sniveling a pussy as Joe Biden said he'd use force to prevent Iran from getting nukes back in 2022.
When that happens, you know it's just a matter of time.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:47 am to wackatimesthree
Are we stuck in Iran for the next 20 years now? Where else do we need to wage wars?
Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:50 am to DeBoar
I started working in the early 80s st 3.35 an hour. After taxes I was left with 2.50 or so. Gas was $1 a gallon. Today I see help wanted signs that say staring pay $15. After taxes, the workers would be left with $10 or so. At $4 a gallon, worker today can buy 2.5 gallons for 1 hours work. In 1982 I could buy 2.5 gallons for the $2.50 I had for 1 hours work.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:53 am to hubertcumberdale
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someone please tell me why i should give two fricks about iran like i havent for the past 50 years and instead pay 3x the gas prices i have been
To avoid this:
Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:57 am to Smartyjones70
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We need an actual revolution and next decade we're gonna get one
No. No you won't. You aren't voting your way out of this. The Uniparty is in firm control and will be until we eventually become what Europe is becoming. Our grandkids are fricked.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 8:59 am to 4cubbies
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Are we stuck in Iran for the next 20 years now?
I don't know and neither do you.
Even if we are, again, when you've got pretty much every president since Carter expressing the same sentiment regarding Iran getting nuclear weapons, you'd kind of be a fool to not act if they threatened to get them just because you don't like doing what it takes to keep them from getting them. That's Democrats and Republicans alike. I honestly can't think of another issue that Regan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump, and Biden all agreed on. Can you?
And their representatives straight up told our officials in January that they had enough 60% enriched Uranium for 11 bombs, and it's common knowledge that 60% enriched Uranium can become ready for a bomb in a matter of weeks or a few months.
So you tell me. What's your play in that situation?
Do you know what happens if Israel and Iran lob nukes at each other? Even that far away? That's enough for nuclear winter (don't take my word for it, look it up). That means that nobody on the planet can grow food.
Us included.
So let's say we ARE there for 20 years. So what, in that context? What's the alternative?
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Where else do we need to wage wars?
Anyplace else where that is a threat.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 9:00 am to KiwiHead
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On this board, the Trumpkins only see binary choices.
This is not true at all.
I would say most trump supporters here are against having 500,000 chinese students here in the US.
Most of Trump's other actions make logical sense though.
But if you are infected with TDS, you cant even agree with some pretty logical things.
An example of this is "fraud is bad, we should do something to find and end fraud". Leftists can not agree with this because it is something that Trump is trying to do.
I would argue that TDS is a far bigger problem.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 9:01 am to DustInTheWind
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I mean, China is at our feet
Posted on 5/16/26 at 9:03 am to Metaloctopus
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Let's see: We have significant economic interests in the middle east,
And have damaged those interests by starting an unprovoked war
In retaliation they have attacked our military bases and the infrastructure of our interests in the region
We have proven that we can not defend those interests
This is not what winning looks like. This is what it looks like when the idiots are in charge.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 9:34 am to Tiger2025
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As I pay $4 for gas. Trump has lost so much support with this war. I hate liberals but frick this shite
Did you think maintaining our global hegemon could be done for free?
Posted on 5/16/26 at 10:03 am to UptownJoeBrown
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To avoid this:
People who think that Iran is going to be launching nuclear ICBMs at the US are higher than snoop dogg after a hot box.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 10:14 am to hubertcumberdale
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What have we gained?
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Higher Oil
Higher Gas
Higher Inflation
You left out the complete destruction of the greatest coalition in our lifetimes and the end of all hope we ever had in a 2nd Trump presidency.
Posted on 5/16/26 at 10:22 am to 4cubbies
If you want move out of this country, I will gladly pay for your move and help with packing/moving. All you need to do is renounce citizenship and never come back. Do we have a deal?
Posted on 5/16/26 at 10:24 am to TrueTiger
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Did you think maintaining our global hegemon could be done for free
Oh, man ... this was a nonstop talking point during our fruitless and highly destructive military engagements in Asia, for 25 years, nearly non-interrupted, in the second half of the last century. Same thing with the wars in the Middle East since 2001.
He who does not remember the past, is condemned to repeat it
Posted on 5/16/26 at 10:24 am to 4cubbies
Honestly the best place we could wage war is here in America against the real enemies (democrats).
Posted on 5/16/26 at 10:27 am to tarzana
Well, that's what is going on.
It's a simple cost/benefit analysis.
What would be the cost of gas be with the hegemon vs. without the hegemon?
It's a simple cost/benefit analysis.
What would be the cost of gas be with the hegemon vs. without the hegemon?
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