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re: We had a good run baws. MAGA is very close to being dismantled. Can Trump resist?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:17 am to SlowFlowPro
So we jumped straight to them killing 3,000 Americans after a strike where they were told through back channels that we would not be striking any military locations, and would only strike the nuclear facilities? I would assume that if they killed 3,000 Americans after that then we would probably put boots on the ground and make the civilian casualties from the Obama bombings look like childs play.
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:18 am to Nosevens
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End of ? New ? This is the only two considerations you got?
It's a way to summarily frame the situation. It's meant to be consumable for your average PT poster these days, which means it's simplistic and not perfect and all-encompassing.
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One is openly expressing the end of other people and supports terrorism.
Oh, so we're going with unserious silliness this morning, I see.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:18 am to GumboPot
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We have midterms.
A lot can happen in 14 months, the same amount forgot in the same time period.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:18 am to dgnx6
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Still not a new conflict.
Well I covered your group already
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the people spiking the football see Saturday's bombing as the end of a conflict
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:19 am to JoylessMurderball
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So we jumped straight to them killing 3,000 Americans after a strike where they were told through back channels that we would not be striking any military locations, and would only strike the nuclear facilities?
Go re-read my post and the one I responded to/quoted, friend.
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I would assume that if they killed 3,000 Americans after that then we would probably put boots on the ground
Me too. Others seem to be claiming there is a 0.00% chance of boots on the ground. We are testing that hypothesis/theory.
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 10:20 am
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
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As I told stout earlier, the people spiking the football see Saturday's bombing as the end of a conflict, when others see it as the beginning of a new conflict.
Neither side should be claiming anything with a high degree of confidence. Just like tariffs, we’re just going to have to wait to see how it plays out. Too many unknowns right now on top of dealing with a degree of fanaticism.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:23 am to Flats
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Neither side should be claiming anything with a high degree of confidence
For the record I am 100% not. Even ITT I said Iran may internally admit defeat get their typical symbolic strike for public face purposes.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
the beginning of a new conflict.“(Quote)
The conflict, via proxy, has been going on for decades. The tipping point for direct confrontation was the ballistic nukes, which Iran and sympathetic supporters always deny, even in the face of obvious logic. Trump and Israel (“Big Satan/Little Satan”) just dropped the mind games and delivered the first punch. It remains to be seen if the Jihadists can or decide to go all in now, or wait another decade until they own Europe.
The conflict, via proxy, has been going on for decades. The tipping point for direct confrontation was the ballistic nukes, which Iran and sympathetic supporters always deny, even in the face of obvious logic. Trump and Israel (“Big Satan/Little Satan”) just dropped the mind games and delivered the first punch. It remains to be seen if the Jihadists can or decide to go all in now, or wait another decade until they own Europe.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:25 am to theballguy
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Trump is not up for re-election.
No, he's not... but his legacy will be. And the neo-cons are salivating at their future prospects right now.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:25 am to GumboPot
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We have midterms
What the frick does congress even do these days?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:25 am to boosiebadazz
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Are we pretending the Iranians weren’t killing Americans and interested in doing so before Saturday?
That is why I approve of hitting the Iranians. Out of all the countries in the middle east they are they only ones we should have messed with. They have been killing Americans for almost 50 years.
I havent forgotten the hostages held for 444 days, the Marines who died in Beirut (by Hezbollah with the support of Iran), then the Kobar towers, then the thousands of injured troops in Iraq and Afghanistan from IED built with support from Iran.
I believe we can destroy whatever we need from the air, without boots on the ground. We certainly dont need to try and occupy it for 20 years like Iraq and Afghanistan.
I wish after the hostages had been released, Reagan had nuked them.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:26 am to GumboPot
Meh
Just don't do the stupid "invade and try to nation build them into a democracy" thing and I'm fine
Just don't do the stupid "invade and try to nation build them into a democracy" thing and I'm fine
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:26 am to GumboPot
Ok
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:26 am to theballguy
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Trump is not up for re-election.
Holy shite, are you really this stupid and short sighted?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:30 am to alphaandomega
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I havent forgotten the hostages held for 444 days,
You've forgotten the brutal dictator that we installed who oppressed them for like 26 years from 1953 to 1979.
You've forgotten that we turned around and had our ally Iraq then declare war on them in 1980. And then we gave Iraq access to chemical and biological weapons which were then used by Iraq against Iran.
You've forgotten that Iran was originally part of the coalition after 9/11 until GWB started calling them part of the axis of evil and threatened them.
There is a reason why they don't hate New Zealand but do hate us, and based on your response for their actions which are but a tiny fraction compared to our treatment to them, if you were Iranian you'd probably be screaming death to America the loudest.
You are what you hate, maybe worse.
This post was edited on 6/23/25 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:31 am to GumboPot
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We had a good run baws. MAGA is very close to being dismantled.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:32 am to VoxDawg
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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For the record I am 100% not.
you are spiking the football in every thread as if you just solved a rubiks cube
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:34 am to 3down10
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You've forgotten the brutal dictator that we installed who oppressed them for like 26 years from 1953 to 1979.
The Shah was already in power when Mosaddegh was removed as PM
Posted on 6/23/25 at 10:35 am to SDVTiger
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you are spiking the football in every thread as if you just solved a rubiks cube
Pointing out hypocrisy and exposing neocons, yes. Their reveal has happened and is no longer a clandestine operation. The fluidity of their state has ceased.
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