re: Was the Civil War Fought Because of Slavery? It Depends on Which Side You View

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The War of Northern Aggression was about state rights.

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Yep, the state rights to own slaves. SCs Declaration of Secession cited “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding states to the institution of slavery,”

War of Northern Aggression or War of Southern Rebellion, all depends on where you lived and who wrote & published the books...

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The North fought to preserve the Union

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This response has popped up several times.

Why did the North fight to preserve the Union?

What about "the union" was so important that the North would murder people to keep them from leaving?

How great is a union for all parties in which one member decides when they will or will not abide by the compact by which the union was formed?

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Why did the North fight to preserve the Union?

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It basically boiled down to $$$.

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The Union Army snick into it, and seized it during a time of no hostilities

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Seriously thats a lie and totally against the historical record.

Pure delusion.

They held it the entire time.

You are fanficing your own history here.

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Robert Anderson moved his troops from Ft Moultrie to Ft Sumter during the cover of the night. Fact, they dressed in civilian clothes so as to disguise their identities, which at the time was considered an act of war. Residents woke up the next morning with the US flag high at Sumter and the guns spiked and burning. How are those actions not an indication for provocation for war?

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The United States of America never was nor is a "Nation". It is a collection of sovereign States in a federated republic. There is no 'Nation"

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This is stupid, and makes me feel like you are just trying to play with semantics.

For all intents and purposes the US is a nation, and has been since the adoption of the US Constitution

I am using the oxford definition

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a country considered as a body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular area or territory.

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Did the North not have this of their own?

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Not enough. Although Industry was kicking off, they heavily leaned on the Southern States as the breadbasket

And also cotton was still king in the 1860's

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Or did they look to the Southern States as merely their vassal land collection by which they could enrich themselves at the expense of Southern farmers?

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You are applying collective thought for convenience? I don't feel like there was a vassal attribution anymore with the Southern States as with the Northern States.

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Those are shite reasons to declare it was a just reason to preserve the Union.

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You can dislike the reasons.

I don't honestly give a shite.

But they were the reasons, which was the question asked.

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by the time of the Civil War almost no US slaves even came from Africa directly, the trade had been eliminated decades before.

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At that point, import was illegal.

Backstory FWIW: Thomas Jefferson considered slavery akin to addiction.
i.e., You know it's bad. You know it is unhealthy, you know it is immoral. But it is impossible to break the habit.

As a slaveholder he ironically viewed slavery as a revulsion. He viewed it as an addiction inflicted on the US by the British. For example in his case, his estate was financially levered. Slaves comprised half the collateral for his loans, meaning he could not free them even after his death, as they were debt obligations.

During the Revolutionary War he got legislation passed in Virginia banning Virginia's import of slaves. He mulled a proposal which would have freed the future children of slaves at age of majority, on condition of their return to, or "colonization" of, Africa or elsewhere. In the Continental Congress he proposed a ban on slavery basically anywhere west of the Appalachians. It failed by 1 vote.

Jefferson was overseas for the Constitutional Convention. It is likely that, were he in attendance, slavery would have been dealt with differently. As it was, the Constitution protected import of slaves for 20yrs establishing Jan 1st 1808 as the earliest moment import could be outlawed.

Jefferson proposed the import ban to Congress in 1806. It passed in 1807, and became law on Jan 1st 1808.

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Fact, they dressed in civilian clothes so as to disguise their identities, which at the time was considered an act of war. First, thats not a fact, you obviously saw that on YouTube. Anderson did have his men turn their overcoats inside out and take off their hats as armed South Carolinans already had them under a state of siege.

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The Yankees dressed in drag


One of the reasons for the war is that the South didn’t want to let them read to kids

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The Yankees dressed in drag

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Irony.

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This is stupid, and makes me feel like you are just trying to play with semantics.

For all intents and purposes the US is a nation, and has been since the adoption of the US Constitution

I am using the oxford definition

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a country considered as a body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular area or territory.

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Tell me how the descent, culture, history, and language are common between the people of New England and Louisiana, or Florida, or Texas, or Appalachian States. But the majority of the people in those independent States share those things in common.

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Did the North not have this of their own?
Not enough. Although Industry was kicking off, they heavily leaned on the Southern States as the breadbasket

And also cotton was still king in the 1860's

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They weren't eating cotton or tobacco.

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Or did they look to the Southern States as merely their vassal land collection by which they could enrich themselves at the expense of Southern farmers?
You are applying collective thought for convenience? I don't feel like there was a vassal attribution anymore with the Southern States as with the Northern States.

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And where did the tariffs collected on cash crops get spent? Not equally on Southern infrastructure or internal improvements.

Face it, the North wanted and needed the money from the South and New Englanders (Yankees) saw it as their birthright to levy these taxes.

It wasn't for food, or the idea of being one Nation together, it was about money. Just be honest.