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Posted on 5/5/26 at 9:30 am to LSUDAN1
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The War of Northern Aggression was about state rights.
It fricking was not
I grew up in the Deeeep fricking South and every history teacher I’ve ever had was staunchly conservative and even they admitted the Civil War was about fricking slavery.
fricking States Rights
Posted on 5/5/26 at 9:39 am to WicKed WayZ
quote:Hey nimrod, WTF do you suppose slavery, and threats against it, represented in 1861?
fricking States Rights
Posted on 5/5/26 at 9:53 am to NC_Tigah
Technically it was States Rights, but the big "right" was whether the new states would be slave states, and should their be slavery.
So...........yeah
So...........yeah
Posted on 5/5/26 at 10:31 am to SteveLSU35
The war was about States rights and the economy !
please dont ask what the workers of the South's top industry, agriculture, looked like, what their rights were, how they were living or how their family got here
please dont ask what the workers of the South's top industry, agriculture, looked like, what their rights were, how they were living or how their family got here
Posted on 5/5/26 at 10:43 am to RFK
Virginia elected a convention to vote on the issue of secession with the majority elected being against it. However, when Lincoln order raising 75,000 men to "repress the rebellion," they voted heavily to secede and join the Confederacy. Yeah, state's rights (powers) was real too.
The industrialist power brokers of the North were also addicted to the tariffs that made the South a captive market. Those tariffs made the North very prosperous while they made sent the South into a decade long, deep economic depression. That didn't help the feeling of brotherhood.
The industrialist power brokers of the North were also addicted to the tariffs that made the South a captive market. Those tariffs made the North very prosperous while they made sent the South into a decade long, deep economic depression. That didn't help the feeling of brotherhood.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 11:27 am to RelicBatches86
quote:I do hate simpleton arguments.
The war was about States rights and the economy !
States rights, the economy, and slavery were inextricably intwined, obviously. That fact prevented folks like Jefferson from winding the abhorrent slavery institution down.
Illustrative of that fact:
States ranked by overall wealth in 1860 would have held NY and VA as neck and neck at #1. MS was #3. In terms of per capita wealth, SC was #1 and MS #2.
Following the abolition of slavery, Virginia lost ~70% of its wealth putting it in the lower 1/3rd of states, while MS and SC dropped to dead last on the overall wealth list.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 11:36 am to NC_Tigah
The Planters Elite believed in the all power of King Cotton. It would sway Europe to recognize the CSA and most likely ensure its success. But the South played hardball and pushed all its chips in and self embargoed its own cotton shipments until recognition came. Millions of bails were burned but the recognition never happened, the blockade was employed and the South slowly withered.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:34 pm to RFK
The real question today should be....did the outcome of the Civil War benefit or hurt the US?
Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:48 pm to geauxbrown
quote:The ridding of slavery profoundly helped
The real question today should be....did the outcome of the Civil War benefit or hurt the US?
Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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The real question today should be....did the outcome of the Civil War benefit or hurt the US?
The ridding of slavery profoundly helped
Can you better explain how it benefitted the country in more than being able to claim the moral high ground?
Posted on 5/5/26 at 1:01 pm to geauxbrown
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The real question today should be....did the outcome of the Civil War benefit or hurt the US?
The massive leap in railroads, telegraphs and industrialization helped.
Not to mention the inflation springing free for a couple years.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 1:07 pm to NC_Tigah
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The ridding of slavery profoundly helped
Yes, but wouldn't everyone be currently served better if there was more segregation?
...every race and religion?
Posted on 5/5/26 at 1:23 pm to WicKed WayZ
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I grew up in the Deeeep fricking South and every history teacher I’ve ever had was staunchly conservative and even they admitted the Civil War was about fricking slavery.
fricking States Rights
You are wrong to scoff, because there's been a lot of insightful comments in the thread. There were many causes for the Civil War. States Rights was a part of the equation.
Almost all of the causes mentioned in this thread played a part. Slavery, States Rights, Tariffs, Clash of Culture, and yes, even Religion played a part.
Money and Power, sure! They also played a part.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 1:42 pm to Champagne
The South imported long term social problems for short term wealth.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 1:45 pm to Cuz413
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300 thousand Yankees is stiff in southern dust. We got 300 thousand before they conquered us. They died of southern fever and southern steel and shot. I wish there were 3 million instead of what we got.
I cant pick up my musket and fight em now no more. But I aint gonna love em now that is certain sure. And I don't want no pardon for what I was and am. I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 2:10 pm to RFK
Wars are fought for resources and power. We were more concerned with the Nazis taking over Europe than what they were doing to Jews.
Posted on 5/5/26 at 2:29 pm to geauxbrown
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The real question today should be....did the outcome of the Civil War benefit or hurt the US?
Absolutely wild you post this and still get to vote
Posted on 5/5/26 at 2:32 pm to Champagne
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States Rights was a part of the equation.
State’s rights to own slaves, sure. The Civil War had plenty of moving parts but was still essentially about slavery.
No matter how badly conservatives wish it weren’t with this revisionist shite
Posted on 5/5/26 at 2:32 pm to geauxbrown
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Can you better explain how it benefitted the country in more than being able to claim the moral high ground?
Aside from "the moral high ground" (which is ignoring the 15,000 pound elephant in the room), slavery was not sustainable in the long-term.
Getting rid of it 2 to 4 decades earlier than would have been the case, I would argue, was ultimately a benefit. It was only a matter of time before overseas trading partners excluded trading for products of slavery. By 1860, those movements were already afoot abroad. The south found out how close that equation was to reality when, during the Civil War, Europe swapped interest in southern cotton for Egyptian cotton.
That doesn't even address the economic consequences of a divided United States, and the ramifications entailed in the first half of the 20th century.
There is a book I read in High School entitled "If The South Had Won The Civil War" by MacKinlay Kantor. In it, he made a number of very optimistic assumptions about the South, including the natural abolition of slavery by 1885 despite southern independence. IIRC, he even concluded the north and south would reunite. I can remember thinking at the time "what a contrived fairytale."
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