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re: Vivek is right. Trumps going to lose using the current campaign approach

Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:09 am to
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10020 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:09 am to
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All this concerned advice for Trump while at the highest levels of polling in his political career. Why no advice for Kamala?
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Because she’s an empty, vapid opportunistic skank?
Posted by AlterDWI
Pattern Noticing, Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
6140 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:11 am to
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it just so happens it came in a very contentious, lion’s den type environment and the media spin machine went into full effect


And? So what? Just because CNN calls Trump racist, it's not a victory lap for Kamala. I mean...they've been doing this for 9 years now. Stop get blackpilled by Kaitlin Collins or Joy Reid.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
4585 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:11 am to
It's a campaign point ... Kamala heritage and bar passing. But not the point that Trump needs to make. Others need to buy he needs to focus on policy and being presidential
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3782 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:14 am to
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I’m just reading the tea leaves man. Don’t shoot the messenger.

need to get back to shooting messengers. that will cutb down on the vast number of you morons messaging.

the only way trump loses is by dems cheating. only retards think otherwise. are you a retard? your message says you are.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6985 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:14 am to
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He needs the timid middle


Look, Obama insulted half the country as bitter clingers and stoked racial hatred at every opportunity. Biden threatened detractors as needing fighter jets if they had a problem with the government and insulted his voter opposition frequently while his wits held up. Both received these "timid" votes you speak of. Meanwhile, John McCain attacked HIS OWN VOTERS for attacking Obama. Mitt Romney basically shut his campaign down to be the nice guy. Both were drummed in the election.

Let's say Trump stays nice politician on the issues. Immigration: the media screams "RACIST" 24/7 like they did leading up to 2020 and throughout Trump's Presidency. Economy: the media screams "FAIR SHARE", "TARIFFS CAUSED THIS", "RACIAL DISPARITY" and Kamala just smiles and waves. Foreign policy: "RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA!" Kamala acts like Russiagate is real and the election is a fight against Putin.

The problem is the corporate media machine is 100% a campaign tool of the globalist left. The entertainment industry is 100% a campaign tool of the globalist left. The universities, education system, most of corporate America...globalist left. Do you know how Trump got elected in 2016? He was loud, brash and said a lot of politically edgy shite about immigration that the media REPORTED because they could paint him as racist, and it HIT HOME. His rallies make news. When he's the most Trump, he gets the most response. When he talks basic policy - which he does - it gets no traction in the media, it gets no traction in any corner of popular culture and outside of those already voting for Trump, no one knows he said any of it. Trump is going to burn through that. It's a gamble and it's one that's already WON AN ELECTION.

If Trump loses, it won't be the middle. It will be the same election laws that allow thousands of dead people to vote, empty lots used as home addresses, illegals going to the polls in droves with no ID checks, voter rolls being signed onto ballots by democrat campaign workers, regardless of whether they actually voted or not. That's what Trump is fighting and that's where the battle will be won. The "timid middle" don't matter. They don't care. They are the sheep driving the flock over the cliff while the elite laugh. You can't build a campaign around those people.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110887 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:14 am to
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It's a campaign point ... Kamala heritage and bar passing. But not the point that Trump needs to make. Others need to buy he needs to focus on policy and being presidential


What’s with the assumption that this is all he’s going to do?
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
13039 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:15 am to
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There still some reasonable enough to discuss granular details with a level head though.

I find nothing ‘reasonable’ about obvious concern-trolling by anti-Trumpers of any ilk.

It’s just plain phony and it’s not interesting, to me, to engage or argue with phonies.

For any truly opposed to the far left and who are scared by these feeble attempts at propaganda, I encourage you to note two things:
1. They NEVER accrue concern to short-comings of the far leftists’ campaigns.
2. Quit your sniveling, cast aside the Pecksniffian cants of those trying to weaken your resolve, and “Fight! Fight! Fight!…
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476312 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:18 am to
I think the bigger question is why it's needed. What can this strategy do net positively for Trump?

How is this going to sway people in the middle to either keep supporting Trump or start supporting Trump?

Yeah this is red meat for the echo chamber but he already has their votes.
This post was edited on 8/1/24 at 7:19 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110887 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:22 am to
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I think the bigger question is why it's needed. What can this strategy do net positively for Trump?


I don’t know. The dude likes to kick the hornets nest sometimes.

I reject the notion that there exists some perfect script and, if only Trump would follow it, everything would be smooth sailing to an easy victory.

I mean, I just don’t understand how anyone can even pretend that’s remotely reasonable given the landscape.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110887 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:23 am to
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the echo chamber


This is just so fricking tired, by the way.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122661 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:24 am to
Nine years in and people still don’t get Trump

“Muh presidential”
Posted by AlterDWI
Pattern Noticing, Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
6140 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:25 am to
If only Trump was Jeb! he'd have this thing locked up right now.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:25 am to
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Yeah this is red meat for the echo chamber but he already has their votes.


I'm in the echo chamber and can't see the red meat. Can you describe the red meat from the last week for those of us who are blind?
This post was edited on 8/1/24 at 7:26 am
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68232 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:28 am to
At first, I thought Trump was stupid for wading into this. But then, when I see how Kamala was cooking masala with Mindy Kaling and MSM covered her a few years ago, I now think it's 8D MAGA chess.
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Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:29 am to
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NIH



How is Brian taking things? I hope this campaign is not stressing him out too much.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476312 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:31 am to
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I reject the notion that there exists some perfect script

I never said that. I'm a big "perfect is the enemy of good" person, myself.

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if only Trump would follow it, everything would be smooth sailing to an easy victory.

It's about more/less efficient/EV and the risk-reward associated with both.

This is highly risky with no upside at all. It's a waste of resources (inefficient) and -EV.

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I just don’t understand how anyone can even pretend that’s remotely reasonable given the landscape.

What landscape?

Have we forgotten just how discombobulated all institutions aligned with the Left were around the debate when Trump what people like slut and myself said he should be doing now? He focused on issues, not personal attacks and looked like a serious politician and not someone just trying to be king of trailer park insults, and the Left did not know how to respond.

Why not just do that?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476312 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:32 am to
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This is just so fricking tired, by the way.

I mean, slut kind of called it in his initial point and was largely proven 100% correct with how the responses came at him.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41022 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:33 am to
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You mean the bots pushing Harris propaganda?



Elon got rid of all the bots.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:34 am to
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But then, when I see how Kamala was cooking masala with Mindy Kaling and MSM covered her a few years ago, I now think it's 8D MAGA chess.


It's really not 8D. It just acknowledging what Kamala and the media have already said. They just don't like it when it come out of Trump mouth.

This encapsulates it perfectly:

Posted by Hookah
Member since Nov 2023
349 posts
Posted on 8/1/24 at 7:34 am to
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need to get back to shooting messengers. that will cutb down on the vast number of you morons messaging. the only way trump loses is by dems cheating. only retards think otherwise. are you a retard? your message says you are.


Damn you’re unhinged.
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