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re: Virginia’s Abortion Amendment Would Strike Down Statutory Rape Laws
Posted on 7/26/26 at 1:09 pm to Night Vision
Posted on 7/26/26 at 1:09 pm to Night Vision
What else would you expect in VA.
"Virginia is for lovers"
"Virginia is for lovers"
Posted on 7/26/26 at 1:14 pm to Archives
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Why do they call it "Reproductive freedom" or "Reproductive health care" when it's reproduction they want to eliminate?
Do you want Democrats and the dregs of society having more babies?
Posted on 7/26/26 at 1:17 pm to Night Vision
The array of ways our resident assholes have used in a mere 3 pages to try to deflect from the subject is impressive.
Posted on 7/26/26 at 1:19 pm to GeorgePaton
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Abortion kills babies, and destroys nations
How would our nation look right now with millions more Democrat voters and welfare recipients?
Posted on 7/27/26 at 8:29 pm to shinerfan
quote:quote:Does it say anything about you telling bald-faced lies? Because there's divinely sanctioned rape all up in there.
Rape is actually condemned by the Bible.
As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder [Yahweh] your God gives you from your enemies. Deuteronomy 20:14
Thank you for doing my work for me. Foo can’t help himself. He knows what he is doing with his constant lying.
The Bible condones and promotes abortion and slavery too. He’ll never admit it.
Hell, even poor little ole Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit. Mary’s consent was neither requested nor required. The LORD found favor with her and wanted to knock her up. What does she say?
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35And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God. 36And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37For nothing will be impossible with God.” 38And Mary said, “Behold, I am the slave of the LORD; let it be to me according to your word.” And the angel departed from her.
It was the LORD’s will to impregnate Mary. Mary, as a slave, was the property of the LORD and could not give consent. In modern times we call that rape.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 8:31 pm to shinerfan
quote:Your ignorance of the Bible and twisting of it doesn't mean I'm lying.
Does it say anything about you telling bald-faced lies? Because there's divinely sanctioned rape all up in there.
quote:This passage is regulated by what you quoted next in chapter 21, so I'll refrain from additional comment here and respond to the next quotation.
As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder [Yahweh] your God gives you from your enemies.
Deuteronomy 20:14
quote:This passage isn't speaking of rape. It's speaking of warriors taking wives rather than killing the women as part of war.
if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.
— Deuteronomy 21:10–14 (NIV)[88]
In most cultures at the time--and even in many today--the "spoils of war" went to the winner, where the losing side had the men and children killed as well as any of the women that weren't of marriage or child-bearing age, and the women who weren't killed, were either raped and killed on the spot, or taken as sex slaves, and then killed when convenient.
This passage was actually commanding against such a practice for women that the men wanted for themselves. They were to be taken as wives rather than sex slaves who could be brutally raped and then killed when the men tired of them. Wives had rights in Jewish society, and those rights were given to the women of the enemy nations if they were taken as wives. That was actually a mercy considering they could have been killed outright or left to die without men to care for them as part of the consequence of war. This passage actually limited what men could do to women, rather than give permission to rape.
While this arrangement wasn't straight-forward "consent" as we think of it today, it was more like what still happens in arranged marriages, where the women don't have a say in who their husbands are, but give themselves sexually to their husbands as their duty, rather than out of sexual desire, themselves. It's a far cry from pinning a woman down and violating her sexually and then leaving her in blood and tears. In fact, this passage allows her to mourn for a month, and requires the men to cool off for a while to make sure they want to actually marry the woman.
quote:This falls under the scenario above. Killing the enemy was judgement upon them. Those who were not killed as part of the consequence of war could be kept as wives, with the rights owed to them as wives and covenant community members. That was a mercy granted to them, and not "rape".
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves
Numbers 31:17-18
quote:Here's where the whole argument falls apart. This is a passage (Deuteronomy 22:22–29) that explicitly defends a woman who is raped and shows that she has rights, as well as stating that the rapist is deserving of death. This goes well beyond "minor disapproval", and your minimizing language doesn't change the reality of the passage. Plain and simple, this case law shows that rape was equal to murder, and punished with the same punishment.
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,
29. he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
— Deuteronomy 22:22–29 (NIV)[93]
That last one does show minor disaproval of non-divinely sanctioned rape. Exactly 50 shekels worth. But not to the girl, though. The savages that wrote that one clearly saw the rape of a young girl as a crime against her father and not against her.
Not only does this passage recognize the heinousness of rape, it declares the woman entirely innocent by name. You also didn't quote this part. I wonder why. Here, I'll help you out:
"25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her."
Again, she's treated as an innocent victim, and the rapist is guilty of a sin / crime worthy of the death penalty.
Perhaps you should spend more time on this passage if you want to be taken seriously in your criticism. It's one of the key passages that actually indicates that rape is a serious crime, and fundamentally changes how the rest of the case law about war brides is to be understood.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 8:35 pm to Night Vision
Sound like Jeffrey Epstein will be able to come out of hiding soon.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 9:37 pm to Night Vision
What the frick is wrong with this country man? God will not take it easy on us for what we are doing here.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 10:22 pm to FooManChoo
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This passage isn't speaking of rape. It's speaking of warriors taking wives rather than killing the women as part of war.
This is a bald-faced lie and you know it, you amoral scumbag. You've killed her dad and br9thers in war, flat out murdered her mom and her older sisters, you even killed her little pet goat but she's going to eagerly become your woman? bullshite.
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25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her."
Again, she's treated as an innocent victim, and the rapist is guilty of a sin / crime worthy of the death penalty.
More willful lies by the most loathsome poster on this site. Paying property damage to the father shows beyond any honest argument that the girl has the value of livestock.
And you show with every nonsensical post that you worship Foo and Foo alone. Because you are the Holiest and Most Devout. You're as shitty of a Christian as you are a poster. You are pure filth.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:55 pm to shinerfan
quote:1. It's not a lie. It's reality. What you were hoping to describe was warriors taking women behind a tree and raping them amidst screaming and fighting back to no avail. Reality was that they were taken as wives and treated with rights according to the Mosaic law after 30 days of being able to mourn for the loss of their kin. It wasn't a great situation, but it was still a mercy for them.
This is a bald-faced lie and you know it, you amoral scumbag.
2. You have no rational ability to condemn anyone if you reject God, because you lose any sense of objective morality. All you have left would be subjective opinions, and in that scenario, there is no better or worse morality. You lose the ability to make any meaningful judgements, because there is no true right and wrong to judge actions by. Rape isn't immoral at all in such a worldview, as it's just one organic accident interacting with another organic accident, like one dog that finds another and mounts it. Rape being objectively immoral only makes sense if there is an objective moral standard that dictates that it is truly and actually immoral, such as when God condemns it as a violation of the 6th and 7th commandments.
quote:Murdered? Nope. All citizens of an enemy nation are still enemies who would gladly kill you in your sleep for what you did to their brothers, sons, and fathers in war. And even if they wouldn't, there were several reasons to kill all inhabitants of an enemy city, such as for economic reason (you can't afford to feed and care for them all) and deterrence (it would make other enemies think twice about picking a fight). Total war was the norm, and there usually weren't distinctions between combatants and non-combatants back then. That's more of a modern expectation.
You've killed her dad and br9thers in war, flat out murdered her mom and her older sisters, you even killed her little pet goat but she's going to eagerly become your woman? bullshite.
And would they be eager to be married? Probably not, but when the alternative is death through starvation, exposure to the elements, or becoming a sex slave to other tribes and nations they might come across as they look for help, then marrying someone to survive, have a family, and be taken care of into old age sounds infinitely better than the alternative, even if it isn't an ideal way to get married. I'm sure it was a sucky situation for them, but again, the alternative would have been worse.
quote:Explain what the lie is. The passage you failed to quote and which I did you a favor in doing so is pretty clear: it speaks of guilt and innocence in the act of rape. The man is guilty and the woman is innocent. This is in contrast to fornication and adultery, where both parties may be found guilty and put to death. This scenario (rape) specifically condemns the rapist (rather than giving him a pass because boys will be boys and women aren't really valued, after all
More willful lies by the most loathsome poster on this site.
), while acquitting the rape victim. quote:In the passage I quoted for you, there was no mention of property damage or renumeration. It was simply stated as a crime to be treated the same as murder, which blows up your whole narrative. Taking passages out of context won't win the day for you when your arguments are examined.
Paying property damage to the father shows beyond any honest argument that the girl has the value of livestock.
quote:That's not true in the slightest, but it seems like you're quite angry at this point and have resorted to ad hominem attacks.
And you show with every nonsensical post that you worship Foo and Foo alone. Because you are the Holiest and Most Devout. You're as shitty of a Christian as you are a poster. You are pure filth.
Like I said before, you should study the Bible more before you attack it. Your ignorance got called out and now you've turned to insulting me rather than defending your position or showing where my arguments aren't true. If you want this to devolve into a shouting match, then you'll be doing that all by yourself and I'll gladly let you win that contest.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 12:23 am to FooManChoo
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It's not a lie. It's reality. What you were hoping to describe was warriors taking women behind a tree and raping them amidst screaming and fighting back to no avail.
No, what I'm describing is the far more horrific long-term captivity and subjugation joyfully p r omised by the barbarian authors of your book. A brief assault pales in comparison to the spiritual destruction of being taken as a plaything by the men who killed everyone she loved.
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You have no rational ability to condemn anyone if you reject God, because you lose any sense of objective morality
An epically stupid comment every time you mumble it throigh your quivering little teeth. Following the Bible as your sole source of morality has exactly the "objective" value as following Garfield the cat. Actually less since Garfield wasn't written in antiquated versions of foreign languages. But I'm not sure you understand what "objective" means. Your self-appointed status as the Highest of Holies reeks of the Pharisees that Jesus had such contempt for.
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Like I said before, you should study the Bible more before you attack it.
I involuntarily studied it quite a bit as a child and young man. Your willingness to lie without the slightest hesitation doesn't make your absurd rationalizations any less appalling. The Bible's position on rape is clear to any with the courage to face it. RPe is bad except when the voices in your head say that it is good. And you say that is objective. Christianity had to be dragged to SECULAR MORALITY kicking and screaming. That's the fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam. The West put a curb bit on its crazies.
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. If you want this to devolve into a shouting match, then you'll be doing that all by yourself and I'll gladly let you win that contest.
There are many people that I love deeply who prsctice Christianity with humility, charity, kindness and love. And when they're regularly called the American Taliban it's because of arrogant, prideful little count like you. And I loathe you for giving so many very decent people such a bad name. Because you really are the Taliban, Foo The Pharisee and Conditional Child Rape Enthusiast.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 1:40 am to shinerfan
quote:This "long-term captivity and subjugation" you speak of simply isn't what is described in the Bible, though. They weren't sex slaves. They were wives. That was one of the main points of the 30-day waiting period. It was to make sure that the men actually wanted to marry them, rather than merely wanting to satisfy their sexual desires.
No, what I'm describing is the far more horrific long-term captivity and subjugation joyfully p r omised by the barbarian authors of your book. A brief assault pales in comparison to the spiritual destruction of being taken as a plaything by the men who killed everyone she loved.
You seem to be ignoring quite a bit about the situation in order to justify your fake outrage. This is a far better situation than what was typical for the time period in that region (true sex slavery and rape), and yet you are pretending some sort of moral outrage, as if you have a leg to stand on within your irrational worldview, which cannot justify morality at all, much less objective morality.
quote:A mere assertion. Explain your position. You like to sling insults but you can't seem to back them up. Go for it.
An epically stupid comment every time you mumble it throigh your quivering little teeth.
quote:Again, you're focused on insults but have no substance.
Following the Bible as your sole source of morality has exactly the "objective" value as following Garfield the cat. Actually less since Garfield wasn't written in antiquated versions of foreign languages.
quote:Moral objectivity is a transcendent and invariant moral standard that does not originate within the human mind or experience.
But I'm not sure you understand what "objective" means.
The moral law of God originates in the very character of God, which is unchanging, and He holds all people accountable to it.
If you reject God, you have no hope for moral objectivity, because all morality necessarily originates within the human mind. If your worldview is correct, then morality is nothing more than personal preferences adopted at either an individual or collective level, and can and does change as opinions change. Therefore, you have no rational basis for condemning rape at all as anything more than something that makes you personally uncomfortable. Even the standard of "do no harm" is an arbitrary standard that isn't a necessary standard to abide by, and it is arbitrarily applied.
You can reject God all you want, but you can't then turn around and act as if anything is truly morally wrong or reprehensible, if you want to be logically consistent. Atheism removes the possibility of true moral significance.
quote:I don't think I'm holy in and of myself, but I recognize that I'm a sinner who deserves God's wrath but has been spared it because God is good, not me. But that doesn't matter to you, because you'd rather call names than propose an argument.
Your self-appointed status as the Highest of Holies reeks of the Pharisees that Jesus had such contempt for.
quote:You must have missed the part we've been discussing, then.
I involuntarily studied it quite a bit as a child and young man.
quote:You haven't shown that I've lied about anything so far. All you've done is make baseless assertions. You initially tried to use out-of-context Bible passages to prove your point, and when I provided counter-points, you moved away from argumentation and have rested on insults and accusations of lying without any shred of proof that I have.
Your willingness to lie without the slightest hesitation doesn't make your absurd rationalizations any less appalling.
quote:I provided a clear passage that teaches that it's a sin/crime for a man to rape a woman and that the Bible teaches that such an act should be treated like murder, which results in the death penalty for the murderer/rapist. I provided argumentation that showed that a war bride is not the same thing as outright rape, as you were implying. You provided no objection, but have only said I'm lying. It seems you've already given up the point, and are resorting to name-calling.
The Bible's position on rape is clear to any with the courage to face it.
quote:There are no voices in my head.
RPe is bad except when the voices in your head say that it is good. And you say that is objective.
Rape is bad because it's a violation of God's holy character, as reflected in the moral law (the 10 commandments). Morality is not based on an arbitrary command.
quote:So now you're expressing ignorance of history as well as morality. Gotcha
Christianity had to be dragged to SECULAR MORALITY kicking and screaming. That's the fundamental difference between Christianity and Islam. The West put a curb bit on its crazies.
"Secular morality" is arbitrary, and therefore irrational. I hope you see that.
Christianity is what shaped the West and differentiated it from Islam, both in terms of morality and in general worldview. You should go study the difference between Christian morality and the morality of the Roman Empire, as an example.
quote:This is just another personal attack. You don't know me. You don't know the countless people I've helped, given money to in their need, visited on their death beds and sick beds, and given comfort and care to in their distress. All you see is someone discussing topics of morality and politics on a forum, and then you choose to judge me like I'm the Taliban for daring to share what the Bible teaches to the lost, after attacking the source of my faith by accusing the Bible of supporting rape, which is a tacit attack on the God of the Bible, whom I love and serve.
There are many people that I love deeply who prsctice Christianity with humility, charity, kindness and love. And when they're regularly called the American Taliban it's because of arrogant, prideful little count like you. And I loathe you for giving so many very decent people such a bad name. Because you really are the Taliban, Foo The Pharisee and Conditional Child Rape Enthusiast.
If you want to make an argument, then go for it. I'm still waiting for a response to my prior exegesis and explanation of the passages you cited. All you've done so far in response is attack me personally by calling me a liar and saying that I'm a Pharisee (you don't seem to realize that the Pharisees were attacked for their legalism and hypocrisy, which I have not demonstrated).
You sound like you're lost. You are a sinner and a rebel against your creator. You need to turn from your sinful rebellion and put your trust in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and the God-man who obeyed the law and died in the place of sinners, so that you can be forgiven. Repent and trust in Him by faith before it is too late.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 6:49 am to Night Vision
Because the goal.of progressive dams is sex with children if any age without consequences...It's always been the goal of normalizing gender dysphoria and drag queen story hour and other early sexualization of children.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 6:59 am to Night Vision
Further proof that Democrats are basically kiddie frickers or support kiddy fricking. Can't wait to see our resident pedos defend this.
Where's a giant meteor when you need one?
Where's a giant meteor when you need one?
Posted on 7/31/26 at 7:03 am to Night Vision
There comes a time when good people must do bad things to evil people and the left are evil to the core…
Posted on 7/31/26 at 7:04 am to JimEverett
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do not see the logic here. How would that language eliminate statutory rape laws?
Please tell me you are not so dense as to not see that this basically grants "consent" to everyone regardless of age. Do you really think a 2 year old is capable of consent or even non-consent to an adult wanting to frick them? Jesus, some of you scare me with your lack of critical thinking.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 9:28 pm to shinerfan
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Following the Bible as your sole source of morality has exactly the "objective" value as following Garfield the cat.
The guy is a mentally handicapped broken record. He claims the Bible and God are objective standards of morality. I’ve explained to him dozens of times that there is no objective standard contained within the Bible. It promotes rape, genocide, murder, slavery, and theft, while also promoting love your enemies, the golden rule, love your neighbors, kindness to others and the poor. On pretty much every moral topic, “the Bible” promotes both sides. There is nothing that is ever always right or always wrong, and is always subject to the situation or the whims of the deity.
Hopefully you can talk some sense into him. He doesn’t understand what objective means. He parrots apologists like William Lane Craig.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 8:50 am to FooManChoo
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This "long-term captivity and subjugation" you speak of simply isn't what is described in the Bible, though. They weren't sex slaves. They were wives.
A child taken as a wife against her will is a sex slave whether it is authorized by Allah or Yahweh.
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. It was to make sure that the men actually wanted to marry them, rather than merely wanting to satisfy their sexual desires.
You are a moral coward to call this anything but child rape.
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Following the Bible as your sole source of morality has exactly the "objective" value as following Garfield the cat. Actually less since Garfield wasn't written in antiquated versions of foreign languages.
Again, you're focused on insults but have no substance.
And again, if you understood what the word "objective" meant you would see the substance.
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Moral objectivity is a transcendent and invariant moral standard that does not originate within the human mind or experience.
Word salad.
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The moral law of God originates in the very character of God, which is unchanging, and He holds all people accountable to it.
So he's still into watching little girls get raped and brutalized by the very men who killed everyone she loved and her goat?
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Therefore, you have no rational basis for condemning rape at all as anything more than something that makes you personally uncomfortable. Even the standard of "do no harm" is an arbitrary standard that isn't a necessary standard to abide by, and it is arbitrarily applied.
Yet I do condemn it. You support it wholeheartedly.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 8:52 am to Night Vision
The far left is vile…and violent.
This post was edited on 9/28/26 at 8:57 am
Posted on 8/1/26 at 8:53 am to Night Vision
Just look up statistics as to who gets arrested /convicted for that offense most, which demographic, and it will probably make sense as to why they are decriminalizing it.
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