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re: Video of the shooter for those that haven’t seen it
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:10 pm to klrstix
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:10 pm to klrstix
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However.. everyone in world new a ton of people where going to be in the capital that day with the clear purpose of expressing their displeasure at the certification proceedings.. Yet there was no contingency plans to have resources available in case something got out of hand... Who is responsible for that?
Here lies the issue with what went down. They knew but in now way were prepared. As if they almost wanted it to happen to an extent. I am not even sure why some members of Congress were wearing gas mask, which itself raises another question. I only saw members of Congress that were wearing the mask who were Dems no Republicans unless I missed it. Also if they were being evacuated in fear of their lives and using tunnels to avoid the mob why was it being broadcasted live for the so called mob to see where they were going?
As someone else mentioned the police in the riot gear could have prevented her from trying to go through the window. Once she was shot in that video they showed no concern of controlling the mob and giving directions.
I have seen pics of the protestors peacefully entering the Capitol while doing do so single file not in mob formation. If the protest was such a concern why was the building even open for any entry outside of the Congress? Why was the NG not there even though the Mayor the day before activated them?
A lot of questions on how this went down and why. Hopefully they will be answered in the near future. For someone that does not believe in conspiracies I have trouble acknowledging everything that went down was a spur of the moment reaction to a Trump tweet.
Either way she should have not been shot in that situation. The officer involved was in the wrong and now someone is dead because of his actions and poor decision making.
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:10 pm to LEASTBAY
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Is coming through that window in a fed building a reason for a justified shooting of the individual?
is sleeping in your car? frick out of here.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:11 pm to shel311
So you aren’t a progressive? You don’t support progressive ideas?
Ok. My apologies.
Melt? That’s funny.
Ok. My apologies.
Melt? That’s funny.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:12 pm to Pecker
I don’t know. Maybe recognizing the hypocrisy from both sides is healthy. 
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:13 pm to roadGator
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You are arguing with radical leftists.
I don't think he is. That woman for sure should have been shot. This comes from a person that would welcome DC being bulldozed to the ground.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:15 pm to roadGator
He’s lying like all fricking leftists. “I’m a moderate. I believe in compromise and hearing all voices. And killing conservatives.”
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:16 pm to the808bass
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He’s lying like all fricking leftists.
Didn't realize you were a leftist.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:17 pm to tigerskin
Page six of the DHS Use of Force Memo clearly states the use of deadly force and they are given no exception because it is the Capitol Building.
I'd like to see the argument that she met that criteria. As some of you are suggesting, I haven't seen any special law or order allowing them to use deadly force "because its the Capitol building." Regular use of force policies still apply.
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A DHS LEO may use deadly force only when the LEO has a reasonable
belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent threat of death or serious
bodily injury to the LEO or to another person.
...
Discharging a firearm against a person constitutes the use of
deadly force and shall be done only with the intent of preventing or
stopping the threatening behavior that justifies the use of deadly force.
I'd like to see the argument that she met that criteria. As some of you are suggesting, I haven't seen any special law or order allowing them to use deadly force "because its the Capitol building." Regular use of force policies still apply.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:17 pm to BiteMe2020
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Yeah, even when Congress is stealing an election, you should know your place and just take it up the arse like a good cuck. Frick you.
But now you have declared war. In war there are casualties.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:18 pm to TigerSprings
Who is he? Shelly jumped in when I wasn’t even speaking about him earlier.
It was a different poster. Shelly just wanted to argue and get in the mud.
It was a different poster. Shelly just wanted to argue and get in the mud.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:18 pm to The Melt
Being that a group of cops were right behind her, I'm curious to see that response.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:19 pm to LEASTBAY
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coming through that window in a fed building a reason for a justified shooting of the individual? Is this a Federal law bc of the building? Anyone know? Just curious.
Or what was context? What was behind that door window she jumped through? If it was 10 senators holed up in an office? That’s a good shoot.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:20 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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If it was 10 senators holed up in an office?
What if it’s just the shooter and a guy eating a sandwich?
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:22 pm to RollTide1987
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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
inherent risk in both
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:22 pm to tigerskin
All y'all saying protestors should get ran over for blocking the road are super upset that this lady was shot after she knowingly tried to breech a barricaded door in our Capitol building while Capitol Police/SS had guns drawn on her.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:23 pm to JohnnyKilroy
I'm not going to shed a tear for these idiots that stormed the building or the one that chose to go Rambo and break/climb through to an area they were clearly trying to secure, but this angle does point out a lot of errors on the part of the shooter. He was in an area not visible to the girl going through the window, so it's unlikely she even noticed she was being targeted by a gun. If she had noticed that, maybe she chooses not to go through. This is highlighted by the fact that the guys down the hall seem to be just chilling and loitering around. So her understanding of the risk was almost certainly incorrect or incomplete. Of course, that's kind of like saying I wouldn't have broke into that house if I had seen the homeowner with the gun around the corner, so she made her bed either way.
I'm also still very confused by the cops on her side of the door who didn't seem the least bit interested in stopping her. Just a lot of strange stupidity in all this.
I'm also still very confused by the cops on her side of the door who didn't seem the least bit interested in stopping her. Just a lot of strange stupidity in all this.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:24 pm to Fells
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All y'all
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:25 pm to the808bass
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What if it’s just the shooter and a guy eating a sandwich?
Then sketchy.
WHAT IF this security officer painted himself in a corner? What if nobody was there and this is just a guy with a gun facing a mob? Can you guarantee he or YOU wouldn’t be “in fear for your life”?
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:26 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Can you guarantee he or YOU wouldn’t be “in fear for your life”?
That’s not the standard. I know that’s what it’s morphed into. But the standard is “reasonably afraid.” Not just afraid.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:27 pm to shel311
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But yea, breaching the US Capitol as an act of domestic terrorism by definition
It's not terrorism. Not all political violence is terrorism. This was at most insurrection, an attempted overthrow of the government. Even then, it wasn't coordinated. It was mostly just a chaotic mob.
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