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re: Video of the shooter for those that haven’t seen it
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:29 pm to LSU alum wannabe
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:29 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Or what was context? What was behind that door window she jumped through? If it was 10 senators holed up in an office? That’s a good shoot.
The DHS Use of Force policy is very clear. Being in the vicinity of "very important people" doesn't quality as an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury. I haven't seen that the Capitol is given some sort of exception to this policy.
quote:
A DHS LEO may use deadly force only when the LEO has a reasonable
belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent threat of death or serious
bodily injury to the LEO or to another person.
...
Discharging a firearm against a person constitutes the use of
deadly force and shall be done only with the intent of preventing or
stopping the threatening behavior that justifies the use of deadly force.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 12:30 pm
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:33 pm to The Melt
Was it a DHS LEO?
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:33 pm to klrstix
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However.. everyone in world new a ton of people where going to be in the capital that day with the clear purpose of expressing their displeasure at the certification proceedings.. Yet there was no contingency plans to have resources available in case something got out of hand... Who is responsible for that? IMO.. the only way to account for that is either gross negligence on the part of those in charge of security or there was some form of weird set up... If proper resources and measured responses had been established I suggest none of this would have happened.
I don't see how blaming the NON-Aggressor works.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:34 pm to TigerSprings
Is it blaming or just after-action criticism?
Leading protesters in and then being surprised you can’t control them isn’t an inspiring move.
Leading protesters in and then being surprised you can’t control them isn’t an inspiring move.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:38 pm to the808bass
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Was it a DHS LEO?
Who knows but it is a possibility it is Secret Service who are under DHS. Even if it is plainclothes Capitol Police, this is the standard use of force policy across the country and I haven't found any exceptions or laws that circumvent normal use of force policies for the capitol.
If this is the use of force policy, do you still think this is a good shoot because she may get in the vicinity of "VIPs?"
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:40 pm to The Melt
frick no. I hope he gets charged.
Of course, he won’t.
Of course, he won’t.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:42 pm to roadGator
I'm not sure who shel311 is. I don't recognize the name. but I do think he is making solid, rational points on why we should expect Ashli to be shot in that situation.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:43 pm to TigerSprings
Cool. Find him on Grindr.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:44 pm to tigerskin
If a wild mob is storming your home and one of them starts to come through the window, you would have a right to shoot them. Don’t really see the difference here for the security guard attempting to protect the people in the building.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:44 pm to TigerSprings
I don’t know if shooting unarmed people in that scenario is wrong. I do know that those that broke laws yesterday should be punished for their actions.
I just wish dems felt the same way about the events of this summer.
I just wish dems felt the same way about the events of this summer.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:45 pm to tigerskin
That's a premeditated government execution of an unarmed woman holding an American flag
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:45 pm to Brightside Bengal
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Don’t really see the difference here for the security guard attempting to protect the people in the building.
The 10 cops on the other side of the window seemed to disagree.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:46 pm to The Melt
It very well could have become an #OccupyCapitalHill affair.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:47 pm to roadGator
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I do know that those that broke laws yesterday should be punished for their actions.
Agreed. The point of civil disobedience is to highlight the greater injustice being represented by the protest than the laws preventing the protester from doing what they want.
You want to engage in civil disobedience, you pay the criminal price.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:47 pm to TigerSprings
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It very well could have become an #OccupyCapitalHill affair.
Yes. And the people outside might come inside, too. Shoot em.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:48 pm to the808bass
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She could’ve been arrested by the 10+ cops on her side of the window.
That was an awful shoot.
People without guns should have never been allowed to get that far.
She is a dumb arse for climbing in a window with a gun pointed at you.
I don't what his job was but if it was to protect the people on the other side of that door. He did that.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:49 pm to the808bass
This is where the problem of prosecutorial discretion rears is biased and ugly head though.
But you went to DC where conservatives are loathed by the local politicians, DAs and judges.
Huge risk to take.
But you went to DC where conservatives are loathed by the local politicians, DAs and judges.
Huge risk to take.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:49 pm to tigerskin
Damn if they didn't look like Antifa. So the news says she is a Trump backer. Blame it on Trump when it looks bad. Typical
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:50 pm to RealDawg
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but if it was to protect the people on the other side of that door.
What people?
Protect from what?
Posted on 1/7/21 at 12:52 pm to frogglet
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This was at most insurrection
I agree insurrection is a better term.
It's not like these people wanted a radically different form of government. They want the same government that currently in place, probably a little less of it.
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