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Vance Opposes Dollar as reserve currency

Posted on 8/28/26 at 11:09 am
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 11:09 am
Nice. Let's lower the standard of living in this country. From Erick Erickson's newsletter last week.

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Two weeks ago the online right spent an entire week fighting about a twenty dollar burrito. Some of the loudest voices in that fight were people who spend their days defending Vice President Vance, and their complaint was affordability. Things cost too much. Working people cannot get ahead. The burrito, they said, was indicative of the burden on the young. The Vice President himself got into it, going after Washington Post columnist Marc Thiessen’s weight because Thiessen would not buy the argument. It is “quite obvious the man has never missed a burrito,” Vance posted on August 5.

Then, someone found this video of the Vice President in 2023, at an American Moment event, when he was in the Senate, arguing that things are too cheap for Americans. In his own words:

This is like, maybe super heterodox. I am not sure that I think the reserve currency is actually good for the United States of America. I think there is a good argument that reserve currency status is akin to coal in Appalachia, it’s a resource curse, right? It allows your consumers to consume very cheaply, right? That’s been the story of the American economy for the last 15 or so years, uh, even before that, is we can just borrow basically in an unlimited way because we have the reserve currency.”...

He called your groceries, your electronics, and even your toaster “mostly useless imports,” and used the favored word of the woke, “privilege,” in doing so. Also, please note, the man who calls the reserve currency “a massive tax on American producers” is a big proponent of tariffs, which are “a massive tax on American producers” and consumers together.

The Vice President just identified two things as the problem. One, that American consumers get to buy things cheaply. Two, that Washington gets to borrow without limit. Those are not the same problem. The first one is your grocery bill. The second one is Congress. And he wants to solve both by taking a hammer to the dollar...

Put it more bluntly. Vice President Vance is to economics what Candace Owens is to conspiracy theories. He, like she, decides to go contradictory and contrarian on exactly the points where the evidence backs the other side.... Economists left, right, and center recognize that the United States holds an enormous advantage with the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. So Mr. Vance decides it must be, well, not yet the Jews, but something not good.

Let me tell you what reserve currency status actually buys you.

We do not get magic interest rates, but the serious estimates of the discount we get on Treasury borrowing run around ten to thirty basis points. That is real money at our scale, but not the difference between a good life and a bad one.


Because the world treats our debt as the safest asset on the planet, we can carry a mountain of it before anyone blinks. The Atlantic Council’s people put the effect at something like a fifth more sustainable debt than we could otherwise hold. That is the difference between our fiscal problem being a slow moving disaster we can still fix and a Tuesday afternoon margin call....

There is more. When the world panics, money runs toward our dollars, not away from them. We are the fire exit. ... The dollar as the global reserve currency is itself the deterrent on that front. It is somewhat ironic that the Vice President thinks the United States should not have the world’s reserve currency and Beijing agrees with him. China is actively working to persuade the BRICS aligned nations to walk away from the dollar as the global reserve currency, just like the Vice President. Beijing has been at this for a decade and hit a wall, because the world will not trust a currency backed by capital controls and a court system that answers to a party. What China cannot win, the Vice President proposes to give away. I should note, too, that Alexander Dugan, the Russian philosopher often called Putin’s brain and a favorite of the post-liberal right, is on record demanding the very same thing. “We must raise the question,” Dugin wrote, “of the creation of a system of regional currencies as well as the rejection of the dollar as the world reserve currency.”

The Vice President also brings up the “resource curse,” which is a real idea, though he misses a key point. Economists have spent forty years noticing that oil states and diamond states often turn out poor and rotten.

But the resource curse is not a curse of resources. It is a curse of bad government. The economics literature is not ambiguous on this. Economists Mehlum, Moene and Torvik settled the question in the Economic Journal twenty years ago, and the work since has confirmed it. Push institutional quality above a threshold and the curse does not merely weaken, it reverses. Resources become a blessing. Below that line, money gets grabbed. Above it, money gets invested....

Which brings us back to the thing the Vice President said and then walked right past. He told us the problem: “we can just borrow basically in an unlimited way.” Mr. Vice President, that is not the dollar doing that. That is Congress doing that. That is Medicare on autopilot and a Senate that has funded this government by continuing resolution since Obama. You are the President of the Senate. You have the tie breaking vote. The tool for fixing an unlimited borrowing problem is a budget, not a currency crisis.

He is right that something happened to American manufacturing. Employment peaked near 19.5 million in 1979 and sits at about 12.6 million now. I will go further than most of my free trade friends: the China shock was real. The scholars Autor, Dorn and Hanson put it around a million manufacturing jobs, up to 2.4 million counting the towns that died around them. Those are real places, real people, and real funerals. Some of them, we should be mindful, are in the backyard of where the Vice President grew up.

But Autor, Dorn and Hanson’s research found the China shock was under a fifth of manufacturing job losses in that window. The rest is productivity. And none of it is a reserve currency story. If a strong currency killed factories, Germany, Japan and Switzerland would be industrial wastelands instead of three of the most formidable manufacturing nations alive. They built what they built on hard money....

Lastly, notice how the Vice President opened. “This is like, maybe super heterodox.” That is not an economist talking. That is an internet troll flagging his own contrarianism so you will grade him on daring instead of accuracy. J.D. Vance is a creature of the internet and he does not stumble into these positions. He believes them. He picked this up the way a lot of men under fifty picked up theirs, in reply threads and podcast clips, inside a world where a theory never has to survive contact with a payroll or a bond auction. You float the resource curse take, the timeline nods, and you never sit with a family in Middle America and explain what happened to their mortgage.
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The common thread in all of J.D. Vance’s views, both foreign and domestic, is that the United States is in decline and some strong person must manage that decline. We should retreat from world leadership, bring home all the troops, recognize a tripartite system with China and Russia as equals, exert control over the Western Hemisphere, and diminish. China, Russia, and even the Democratic Socialists of America agree with that position. The rest of us do not have to. Decline is a choice.

God’s got this, y’all. But we should probably stop electing the internet’s comment section.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 11:11 am to
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We should retreat from world leadership, bring home all the troops, recognize a tripartite system with China and Russia as equals, exert control over the Western Hemisphere, and diminish. China, Russia, and even the Democratic Socialists of America agree with that position. The rest of us do not have to. Decline is a choice.
somewhat related, but I believe this is a big part of the push for white males to get into the trades. Heritage American males should be running our country at every level, not fixing AC units for Indian tech project managers
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 11:11 am to
Hb vance supports a global currency based off the price of petrochemicals backed by the Indian rupee instead of the petrodollar


I hear it will be called the “poopee”
Posted by BCvol
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 11:17 am to
Rubio or Desantis looking better by the day
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 11:26 am to
You want China to surpass the USA as the world power? Abandon the dollar as the reserve currency.

The economic fallout would be apocalyptic.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 11:31 am to
Kudlow will tell you how important King dollar is.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 11:34 am to
and if Rush was around, he would too.
Posted by BoarEd
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 11:41 am to
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Rubio or Desantis looking better by the day


Trump believes it will be Rubio. So there's your answer. Vance will not become POTUS.
Posted by KCT
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 11:49 am to
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Trump believes it will be
Rubio. 


So do I.

I keep hearing that Peter Thiel OWNS Vance. I don't know for sure, but I'm wary of Vance.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 12:00 pm to
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The common thread in all of J.D. Vance’s views, both foreign and domestic, is that the United States is in decline and some strong person must manage that decline


I actually am in agreement with this

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We should retreat from world leadership, bring home all the troops, recognize a tripartite system with China and Russia as equals, exert control over the Western Hemisphere, and diminish


I do not agree with this though. It's not the American spirit to go quietly into the dark night. We fight. We rage against it.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 12:27 pm to
And what happened to Rome when it lost the sea lanes?
Posted by Zgeo
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 12:29 pm to
Tldnr

Posted by Boom33
Member since Jul 2026
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 12:58 pm to
Any monetary system based on debt and usury will get nothing but hate from me.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 1:09 pm to
It is odd how history has shown us that you can become a world power without holding the reserve currency but once you have the reserve currency you will inevitably decline.
Not saying that the currency itself causes the decline, but I guess factors relating to how you get there and/or what happens once you get it plant the seeds for the eventual decline.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

The common thread in all of J.D. Vance’s views, both foreign and domestic, is that the United States is in decline and some strong person must manage that decline. We should retreat from world leadership, bring home all the troops, recognize a tripartite system with China and Russia as equals, exert control over the Western Hemisphere, and diminish. China, Russia, and even the Democratic Socialists of America agree with that position. The rest of us do not have to. Decline is a choice.



Trump began our pullback in his first term. Biden continued it. COVID accelerated it. It's inevitable, it's not even partisan anymore. We're not doing world police anymore and we're not not willing to let our entire Western system ride on fragile JIT logistics on the other side of the world while America becomes more and more fragmented internally.

People are throwing fits about JD Vance because he doesn't want to expand our role in Iran. The behind-the-scene reason is that the neocons are terrified they're not going to retake the movement and people like John Podhoretz/Commentary crowd see their privileged place at the RW table being in jeopardy with Vance.

The people who've gotten their asses handed to them for the last 25 years on the right see post-Trump as their perhaps last chance to reassert control and they see Vance as an existentialist threat.
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
6931 posts
Posted on 8/28/26 at 1:40 pm to
The Congress has failed the Spider-Man test. We have the great power without the great responsibility.

It’s a human condition. The Russians or Chinese would fall into the same traps. I would rather it be us with the power, despite the accountability of the responsibility.
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Member since Apr 2024
12795 posts
Posted on 8/28/26 at 1:59 pm to
good thing we are going to worry about this now because there is nothing important going on

We also have no time consider it when the actual election is going on.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
7319 posts
Posted on 8/28/26 at 2:14 pm to
Anybody wanting the dollar to fall and not be the reserve currency is an idiot. It is the only way that we've been able to get into this kind of debt. On the flipside, if we were never the reserve currency would we have this kind of debt.

It will be tremendously terrible for us if the dollar is not the reserve currency. The huge spike in inflation if that happens might be the only way to ward off the debt interest death spiral if Congress doesn't stop deficit spending.
Posted by jlnoles79
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 2:17 pm to
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People are throwing fits about JD Vance because he doesn't want to expand our role in Iran. The behind-the-scene reason is that the neocons are terrified they're not going to retake the movement and people like John Podhoretz/Commentary crowd see their privileged place at the RW table being in jeopardy with Vance.

The people who've gotten their asses handed to them for the last 25 years on the right see post-Trump as their perhaps last chance to reassert control and they see Vance as an existentialist threat.


NatCons like Vance are socially conservative Bernie Bros
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 8/28/26 at 2:19 pm to
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He called your groceries, your electronics, and even your toaster “mostly useless imports,” and used the favored word of the woke, “privilege,” in doing so. Also, please note, the man who calls the reserve currency “a massive tax on American producers” is a big proponent of tariffs, which are “a massive tax on American producers” and consumers together.


I think the US is better off as the reserve currency, and we should fight to maintain it.

But when writers start chopping up quotes like this, it makes me question their motives.

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used the favored word of the woke, “privilege,”


Like this... OK? What was the context? Privilege still has valid meaning. Are we supposed to use a different word just because the left uses it?

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He called your groceries, your electronics, and even your toaster “mostly useless imports,”


Did he really? He literally said that our groceries were "useless imports?" Or was he speaking generally and the author applied it to groceries to get an emotional reaction from the reader?

If Vance literally said that our groceries are useless imports, then the full quote would be more damning. So why not post it?

Give me facts and full quotes. I'm not persuaded by emotional arguments. If you do use these kind of arguments, then I start from the position that you are wrong.
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