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re: Daily COVID Updated as of 11/2/20 8:00 PM

Posted on 7/10/20 at 9:53 pm to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 7/10/20 at 9:53 pm to
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823k tests. Wow. Will we break a million per day?

We are testing more people in a week than 90% of countries have ever tested.
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 11:34 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/10/20 at 10:18 pm to
As for death projections, the promising thing about all of these projections over the next couple months are that despite a rise in deaths, and still a lot of deaths, they still only have the peak at about a little over 800 per day in mid August. Since the data show a younger skew than the earlier peak, and treatment appears to be better, the current waves IFR is projected to be much lower.

Hopefully that holds true; however, while I think it will, I think the infection (and case reporting) to death lag this time around could be a bit longer due to couple of reasons, not just the obvious fact that we’re seeing an increase this week that was later than many projected.

1. With more widespread testing catching pre-symptomatic cases. For example, my FIL was tested Tuesday or Wednesday of last week but wasn’t symptomatic until Saturday (now in ICU but it seems precautionary to get his oxygen levels up a bit more so hopefully it doesn’t get worse). Now unfortunately because the lab was off Friday it didn’t come back until Monday morning after he as symptomatic (and tested with results from hospital in less than a day), but it they hadn’t been, the results were ready (and probably reported) more than a day before symptoms. In the early peak, a lot of people weren’t tested until after symptoms presented, sometimes well after, if at all.

2. The turnaround on tests seems to have been faster recently. Save for the holiday issue above, my FIL’s hospital test came back the next day, and so did my MIL’s negative (thankfully test). My brother was tested yesterday and they said 2-3 days so we’ll see.

3. Related to number 2 seems to have been less of a backlog recently whereas the first peak was full of them. That said, my aunt was tested because she’s having surgery (supports catching pre-symptomatic cases) and they tried to get her in earlier because of backlog. I’ve seen other reports of this around the country the last couple of days, so this promising trend may be trending the other way.

4. While it’s skewing younger and a lower percentage are likely to have severe complications and die, does that also mean that those who do die are able to fight for their lives longer? It just seems possible to me that if their immune systems are more likely to fight it off, those who do eventually succumb will fight it off for longer. If so, that would create a longer lag.

5. Due to this younger skew, it’s likely a significant portion of those got it because they were less at-risk of severe complications and/or death, knew this, and were doing things that make them more at-risk of catching it though. But after it started spreading and continues to spread, it might be harder to keep it from spreading to those who are at-risk of complications (not just age) who were taking more precautions because of that. If that has happened (and is happening) then proportion of infections of those at-risk may be increasing and creating a lag when compared to the spread, which creates the death lag.

6. One of the main reasons that IHME model over predicted hospitalizations but under predicted deaths is early on there were far more hospitalizations to deaths. But when deaths starting increasing quickly towards and through the peak, especially in hotspots, this ratio quickly and dramatically decreased. So paradoxically hospitals didn’t get overwhelmed, BUT this may indicate the lags were longer (at least hospitalizations to death lag) early on but then deaths (as we saw) increased quickly (people also started dying at home). With some full hospitals, it’s possible we’re getting to that point.

So while this seems like this is a really negative post, but I don’t think we’ll get anywhere near the peak deaths as the first wave and the IFR will be lower. That said, the differences (and some similarities that may now be happening) in this wave have caused a longer case to death timeline and 800ish peak deaths (over a week or so) a little more optimistic. And I could see it going between 1000-1200, still half or even less of April’s peak though.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 7/10/20 at 10:28 pm to
its definitely not going to be as bad as last time unless nyc gets hit hard again. no other city is as dependant on public tranportation or as dense.


Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35239 posts
Posted on 7/10/20 at 11:33 pm to
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no other city is as dependant on public tranportation or as dense.
And I think they made the public transportation vector spreading worse in their attempts to stop it by running fewer trains which made for more crowded trains. That was just a lack of critical thinking on their part. You would want more trains, so they are less crowded.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 7/10/20 at 11:36 pm to
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And I think they made the public transportation vector spreading worse in their attempts to stop it by running fewer trains which made for more crowded trains. That was just a lack of critical thinking on their part. You would want more trains, so they are less crowded.


we were much less prepared when it all started. we ramped up wrll though to bend the curve.

my office decided the day before everyone was sent home to call a 930 all hands in conference room to discuss the virus. no one really understood it like we do now.
Posted by friendlysnek
Member since Jun 2020
211 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:36 am to
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We are testing more people in a week than 90% of countries have ever tested.


We also have a population of 330M people which is way higher than 99+% of countries
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
5594 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 11:21 am to
I'm having a hard time trying to find accurate stats between this and seasonal flu. I understand it is more lethel but the stats are so skewed right now that the politics of this are out of control.

I'm sure this has been said over and over but THANKS CHROME for doing this.
Posted by Dodd
Member since Oct 2003
21048 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 12:06 pm to
Someone needs to fact check, but this guy is about to publish data that illustrates actual date of death and the date published by CDC. He has the opinion that there is a lot of backlog death dumping driving current numbers.

Yuge if true

LINK

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So not only are states adding a bunch of old deaths, they're deaths that had ALREADY been reported to the CDC. Close to 3,000 of those deaths added for before May 2nd were already reported and counted and just got changed to "probable" Covid-19 classification recently.



Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 12:28 pm to
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I understand it is more lethel but the stats are so skewed right now that the politics of this are out of control.


We aren’t going to know what really happened until the beginning of 2022.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96014 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 1:05 pm to
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Someone needs to fact check, but this guy is about to publish data that illustrates actual date of death and the date published by CDC. He has the opinion that there is a lot of backlog death dumping driving current numbers.

Yuge if true

LINK

quote:
So not only are states adding a bunch of old deaths, they're deaths that had ALREADY been reported to the CDC. Close to 3,000 of those deaths added for before May 2nd were already reported and counted and just got changed to "probable" Covid-19 classification recently.


Considering shutdowns are happening over this data, if this is true, its criminal in nature.
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
34658 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 2:23 pm to
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Chromedome, I keep an eye on Louisiana and compute two stats...

death rate of cases reported, which continues to drop, my calculation is 4.8% today

percentage of tests performed to cases reported, which is 8.1% today...

I'm going to track this for a week or so and post daily...

So for Tuesday 7 July...death rate of cases reported, 4.7%; tests performed to cases reported 8.05%

For Wednesday, 8 July - death rate of cases reported, still at 4.7%; tests performed to cases reported 8.1%

Thursday, 9 July - death rate of cases reported, dropped to 4.5%; tests performed to cases reported, up to 8.17%

Friday, 10 July - death rate of cases reported, dropped to 4.38%; tests performed to cases reported, up to 8.24%


Saturday, 11 July - death rate of cases reported, dropped to 4.29%; tests performed to cases reported, up to 8.3%

so far, what I'm seeing is a reasonably steady decline in the death rate per cases reported, while the cases reported (found) to tests performed is increasing by fractions of a percent...
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
24938 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 2:24 pm to
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Kyle Lamb
@kylamb8
This is what's happening:

1) States report new deaths. Regardless of when they happened. If they increase, media blows it up.

2) These deaths are reported to the CDC and lag a bit

3) When CDC updates numbers, we can see when those deaths were occurring the states had reported
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Top row: Deaths reported publicly by week

West to East: Provisional death counts by CDC when death occurred, columns representing the week when CDC added them.

Color striping indicates a way to track trends based reporting week. First red = 1st week of data, Orange = 2nd, etc.


Also seen these posted by the ethical skeptic


This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 2:26 pm
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
85813 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 3:08 pm to
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ou would want more trains, so they are less crowded.




Well NYC is run by a political activist LARPING as a mayor.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89552 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:29 pm to
All cause mortality certainly appears to have plummeted from projections since June 13th.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:32 pm to
NYC isn't in charge of MTA that's a New york state agency my friend.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8141 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 4:41 pm to
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All cause mortality certainly appears to have plummeted from projections since June 13th.


I wouldn’t read too much into that right now. It takes time for death data to get filtered into those stats. There may still be a downward trend, but we can’t forget that this data is getting consistently updated.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6845 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 7:34 pm to
This is the link to the COVID-19 tracker that I have created and shared on Google Drive.
If you want to view the shared sheet, follow this link COVID-19 Tracker
If you want to download a copy of this sheet and manipulate it follow this link Downloadable COVID-19 Tracker
The source for the data is from https://covidtracking.com/data/















New Cases by State


New Deaths by State


7-day average growth rate of new cases
Posted by FlySaint
FL Panhandle
Member since May 2018
1805 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:34 pm to
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Someone needs to fact check, but this guy is about to publish data that illustrates actual date of death and the date published by CDC. He has the opinion that there is a lot of backlog death dumping driving current numbers.


So selectively timed data dumps in an attempt to counter the growing public perception that cases going up without deaths going up is no big deal.

And because the deaths are not actually rising the data is manipulated.

Is there any reliable source that plots the deaths against their actual occurrence date?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:05 pm to
I had people I trust tell me they heard from the people themselves that the no test positive occurred and the multiple positives one person event happens because a lady worked for the counters.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36716 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:06 pm to
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We are being played. Memorial hospital in Lake Charles is full of patients but I know for a fact (I work there and several high echelon there have said this) that they are being held a couple nights in order to get 30k from the government. The MSM takes this and causes more panic.


My brother works there .. staffing is bad but 6/7 patients admitted and 5/6 discharged is a typical day. The people in charge need to chill.
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