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re: Unbelievable....regarding COVID-19 death stats
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:49 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:49 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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I've had medical professionals tell me 7-10 days ago that they suspected that was happening
I had one here who I think claimed to be in the industry tell me it was a whacko conspiracy theory a few days ago.
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:50 pm to the808bass
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Probably (or at least hopefully) a better analogy is that when you have an HIV diagnosis and you die from pneumonia, HIV is the root cause.
Oh, let the man have his silly analogy. It's a fricking silly thread anyway...
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:50 pm to oman
Where are the spring break Covid cases!!?!!??
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:51 pm to beaverfever
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I just assumed they had been counting this way. I am curious if they do the same with the seasonal flu.
When you say "they" just know you mean about 6,000 individual hospitals or systems making these judgments. Every hospital system, I've talked to a lot of folks from a lot of systems lately. Is still using the diagnosis on admission as the key marker to determine if a deceased, COVID positive patient gets classified as COVID related or not. This is how exactly how we do it with the flu and frankly everything else.
The ironic part about this particular conspiracy s that it'll be incredibly straight forward to get a handle on this number once. We know how many people die in a month in the US - all-cause - from historical data. We'll just compare this year to previous years and population adjust the results.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:54 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:yet the CDC has up to date info on the flu for 2020
the CDC uses years and years of data to estimate the actual number
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Flu deaths up in the new year: CDCFlu deaths are up more than 65% so far in 2020, with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reporting that 4,800 people had died and 87,000 people had been hospitalized.Feb 21, 2020
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:57 pm to Robin Masters
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This can’t be a significant number of people though
I thought that at first, but then I remembered the people most at risk. People over 60 and with major health problems. I think it could be a significant number, especially when these were the only people getting tested. They accounted for most of the confirmed cases and almost all of the deaths. It’s not a stretch to think that at least 30% have diabetes, CAD, hypertension, COPD, etc. all of that definitely leads to inflated mortality rates amongst confirmed cases.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:01 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:We can make an educated guess.
why laugh?
we have no idea what percentage of the totals it is.
About 8k people die in America each day, on average. 3,500 of those are from heart disease or cancer. Do you think those deaths are being fudged into the covid deaths? How about the 500 out of 8000 deaths that are due to accidents? Or another 500 from strokes? Or how about another 700 combined from alzheimer's, diabetes, and suicide? Do you think those are being fudged? We only have about 2,800 daily deaths left to fudge from, and given that we are about to crack 2,000 daily covid deaths, they must be stealing all of the other background causes of death in order to fudge the numbers this bad.
And not only that, but Italy, Spain, France, the UK, Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Sweden, etc. must ALL be similarly stealing all of their background deaths in order to pad their numbers.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:08 pm to oman
That would be fine if the media weren’t scaring the shite out of everyone and the governments weren’t shutting businesses down, etc.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:12 pm to longwayfromLA
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The ironic part about this particular conspiracy s that it'll be incredibly straight forward to get a handle on this number once. We know how many people die in a month in the US - all-cause - from historical data. We'll just compare this year to previous years and population adjust the results.
Have you seen the overall death numbers from march?
They plummeted due to lockdown. That's not going to work homey
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:15 pm to the808bass
Only if they die. They do NOT want to increase the number of cases that lowers their mortality percentage
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:20 pm to oman
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If they don't know, that is precisely why the deaths should be documented that way, so that we have complete data on underlying conditions and morbidity.
I don't think you are keeping up, social scientist. They should be able to give a good estimate as to the number of cases in which the primary cause of death wasn't COVID but was classified as such.
My hope would be they are very sure that the number isn't significant and they know that. If it's a significant number, it would be criminal to include those in the death totals.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:20 pm to FlexDawg
Here’s a question for you
If someone gets covid and then dies from an arrhythmia from hydroxychloroquine how are they classified?
If someone gets covid and then dies from an arrhythmia from hydroxychloroquine how are they classified?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:21 pm to SportTiger1
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Have you seen the overall death numbers from march?
Where are these death numbers?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:29 pm to moneyg
Total US deaths from Coronavirus: 12,584
1st death: March 1st
Estimated total deaths in a “normal year” for the same time frame: 8,054/day
Total expected since March 1st: 306,000
There’s not a lot of place to hide those 12,354.
It should be easy to spot at the end of the year whether this has significantly increased mortality for the country.
1st death: March 1st
Estimated total deaths in a “normal year” for the same time frame: 8,054/day
Total expected since March 1st: 306,000
There’s not a lot of place to hide those 12,354.
It should be easy to spot at the end of the year whether this has significantly increased mortality for the country.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:34 pm to FlexDawg
Bigger numbers equals more federal dollars for that state.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:37 pm to the808bass
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It’s not. Unless you think that there’s a significant percentage of the population who’ve tested positive.
Your logic is flawed. It only matters what percentage of the people with CV would have died anyway.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:41 pm to omegaman66
My point is that you don’t have 330M people from which to draw your made up deaths. You only have those who have Covid.
Everyone is trying to argue all sides of this. The nursing home in Kirkland averaged 3-4 deaths (probably more like 3, based on the size of the home) on an average month and they had 40+ in a little over a month. And now you all are looking at us with a straight face saying this virus doesn’t affect mortality that much.
Everyone is trying to argue all sides of this. The nursing home in Kirkland averaged 3-4 deaths (probably more like 3, based on the size of the home) on an average month and they had 40+ in a little over a month. And now you all are looking at us with a straight face saying this virus doesn’t affect mortality that much.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:53 pm to omegaman66
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:07 pm to the808bass
If the flu ran rampant through a nursing home, I suspect the deaths would be up. A 90yr old likely doesn’t fair well from the flu either.
The lockdown is more dangerous than opening up businesses. The number of people fondling food in the grocery store and getting their Home Depot on every day is much worse than spending all day at your desk in the office.
The lockdown is more dangerous than opening up businesses. The number of people fondling food in the grocery store and getting their Home Depot on every day is much worse than spending all day at your desk in the office.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:09 pm to AUX3
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If the flu ran rampant through a nursing home, I suspect the deaths would be up. A 90yr old likely doesn’t fair well from the flu either.
Flu can run rampant through a nursing home. I’ve never seen it kill 45 in 30 days.
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The lockdown is more dangerous than opening up businesses.
I’m in complete favor of opening the economy back up over the next four weeks. There’s no need to cook the books on that side in order to do so.
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