re: TX Dem nominee says God gave Mary a choice not to birth Jesus

Is that Beto's gay brother/lover?

Preaching this crap is the epitome of evil. Sadly, many folks will fall for it because they have no understanding of scripture and no relationship with Jesus.

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I'm science based in my beliefs

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The heavens declare God’s glory. His fingerprints as the designer and creator are all over this universe. Even the complex “machinery” of DNA highlights the awesome creative work of God.

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Mary had free will just like every other human created by God. She was immaculately conceived which gave her graces to choose God over her selfish desires when faced with temptations but she absolutely had free will and as such could have chosen to refuse the Angel’s offer.

To believe Mary was without free will and had no choice but to carry Jesus turns the entire salvation narrative into a slavery narrative. Her “choice” was before the overshadowing and conception of Jesus which makes the usage of her Yes by the left ignorant.

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Free volition is not the same thing as a free will.

The will is the seat or root of our choices. The Bible teaches that we cannot choose anything good (that which is ultimately pleasing to God) without a work of regeneration by the Holy Spirit, who changes our wills and gives us the capability and desire to do what is good.

For instance, all people have the opportunity to respond positively or negatively to the gospel call to faith and repentance when it is preached to them, but not all people have the ability and desire to respond rightly; only those who have been “born agin” will do so in a saving way. Those who reject it are doing as their wills desire, and their wills can only reject it.

This applies to Mary in that she was chosen before the foundation of the world to be saved and to bear the God-man, Jesus Christ. This was worked out in time through the narrative of the angel coming to her and her receiving the plan with faith that she was granted as a gift. She did respond positively, but there is no sense that she was ever going to respond negatively, because she was predestined to play this part in the incarnation of Christ. There was no plan B, because God is sovereign.

The most disturbing aspect to me is not so much these type of “politicians” are out there now but more so that we have so many fricked up people in this country who give them the platform by voting for them.

Someone like this nutcase would’ve been laughed off the stage before he even had a chance to get started not too many years ago.

The Democratic Party has become the political vehicle for an alliance of marxists, islamists, and the mentally ill.

If you believe in shite that was made up in the 16th century I can see why you think this way.

I’ll go with the OGs system which was taught by the person in question (Jesus) and has been in place since He taught it.

Pretty sure this guy also says abortion is ok because Genesis 2:7 says life begins with breath. In another interview he discounts following anything but the red letter text that are direct quotes of Jesus, and tries to twist love your neighbor as yourself to say that abortion and same sex marriage aren’t addressed in the red letter text and ok.

If satan who quoted Psalms to Jesus in the desert were preaching today, I imagine he would would have a similar message to Talarico.

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Foo, you believe in Double Predestination, correct? Every Soul is predestined before its existence to go to either Heaven or Hell?

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Yes.

Logically, if God predestines any to Heaven--and I believe the Scriptures clearly teach this--and that not all go to Heaven, then that means He must only predestine some to go to Heaven. Since the only other final destination possible for the human soul is Hell, then God must also predestine those who are not going to Heaven to go to Hell. That makes logical sense.

Now, how He does it is really where the debate lies. Is God actively determining a number of people that He will send to Hell? Or, is He sort of passively just not predestining some to Heaven, which means that they will go to Hell. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. If God chooses to create a person and He doesn't determine to save them, then whether or not He created with the intent to damn them or not, they will still be damned. I believe Romans 9 speaks clearly to this, where some vessels are created for destruction.

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I ask because I'm wondering about the basis for the "there is no sense that she was ever going to respond negatively, because she was predestined" part of your statement of belief.

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Yes, I believe God is sovereign over all His creation and our actions, and that God had a plan to send Christ into the world with a human nature to obey the law in our place and die as a sinner (but without sin) to pardon our sins and grant us His righteousness.

Since this was the plan, the human mother of Christ also must have been planned. There was no plan B.

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It's interesting that this TX Dem nominee is a student at a Presbyterian Theological Seminary and espouses Free Will and Non-Predestination beliefs, while you, also a Presbyterian, espouses the complete opposite. Two different kinds of Presbyterianism have completely opposite beliefs.

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Yes, that's very interesting, and sad, as I see it.

Presbyterians have traditionally been Calvinistic and Reformed in their theology, coming from the Scottish Presbyterians of the Reformation with John Knox as their leader.

What we're seeing today is the PCUSA in particular is a very liberal denomination that has abandoned the Scriptures as their final and highest rule for faith and life, and are using the Bible to justify their liberal beliefs, rather than seeking to draw their beliefs from the Bible.

Most Presbyterian denominations share core beliefs, including on predestination and free will (over and against total depravity).

The interpretations are said to be drawn directly from Scripture, but, the interpretations can be argued to be incorrect.

There WERE interpretations in place that had been so for over a 1,000 years. Then the Reformers came along and taught us that their own NEW interpretations were right and the 1,000 year old interpretations were wrong.

Today, we have yet another allegedly correct Scriptural interpretation from this TX Dem nominee. He says my interpretation is wrong and his interpretation is correct.

So, this sort of thing has been going on since the Reformation and it will continue until the End of Time.

The TX Dem nominee and I are pointing fingers at each other simultaneously telling the other "you're wrong. I'm right."