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re: TX Dem nominee says God gave Mary a choice not to birth Jesus

Posted on 3/7/26 at 11:06 am to
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55329 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 11:06 am to
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Presbyterians have teaching authority.


Your definition of "Teaching Authority" must not be the same as mine.

Under my definition, when you have a Teaching Authority, your sect of Christianity cannot have opposite interpretations of Scripture, depending on which individual person you ask.

Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
2350 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 11:09 am to
Force is an odd word to use, she was chosen due to her faith and commitment. Again, it is amazing how little most Christians know about the book they claim to believe in. IF you are a Christian then you would also know that teachers, preachers, and leaders are held to a higher standard at judgement so I would be careful if I were the aspiring Senator or anyone speaking from a position of supposed scriptural authority on matters they clearly know nothing about
Posted by s2
Southdowns
Member since Sep 2016
6378 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 11:15 am to
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Mary had free will just like every other human created by God. She was immaculately conceived which gave her graces to choose God over her selfish desires when faced with temptations but she absolutely had free will and as such could have chosen to refuse the Angel’s offer.

To believe Mary was without free will and had no choice but to carry Jesus turns the entire salvation narrative into a slavery narrative. Her “choice” was before the overshadowing and conception of Jesus which makes the usage of her Yes by the left ignorant.



please; state the book and verse that would backup this comment.

it's not in my Bible
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
20515 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 11:19 am to
Even if Mary had the option (to her credit, she didn't object), I doubt the Nazareth Planned Parenthood would have succeeded in aborting Jesus.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
2350 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 11:24 am to
It’s not in any Bible. It’s their personal feelings derived from a “relationship with Christ” which is also not in the Bible. Of course she could have been a prostitute or thief but she wasn’t which is why she was chosen and a major part of the story of Jesus. Just like Jesus could have shunned the Cross, which authority he actually had, but fulfilled his destiny for our salvation. We could what if for the rest of eternity but it’s irrelevant and nonsensical
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
2350 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 11:27 am to
There are a lot of “Christians” in this thread who need to read and pray more lol there is a lot of stupidity in it and I hope for your sakes you haven’t led anyone astray with your feelings and personal beliefs.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46872 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 11:46 am to
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Your definition of "Teaching Authority" must not be the same as mine.
Of course it is different. You take “authority” to mean infallible magisterial authority to define doctrine without error.

I mean a real authority to judge according to God’s word that has binding power as long as it conforms to what God has revealed in His word.

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Under my definition, when you have a Teaching Authority, your sect of Christianity cannot have opposite interpretations of Scripture, depending on which individual person you ask.
I understand what you are getting at, but in reality, most Catholics don’t know what the RCC teaches, and they do have opposite opinions and beliefs than what the RCC says.

To your point, though: you are referring to absolute and supreme rule over the consciences of Christians. The Pope and the Magisterium can bind consciences and there can be no allowance for difference of opinion and belief. This also means there can be no correction and reform over what has been dogmatically defined because Rome claims infallibility over such things.

What you are doing is confusing real and binding authority with an infallible human-led rule. I believe the Church was given elders to succeed the apostles and to have real and authoritative rule in Christ’s stead, but who are subservient to the Scriptures and capable of error. That does not negate the real authority, just like the ability for an umpire in a baseball game to get a call wrong doesn’t negate his real authority.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55329 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 2:08 pm to
I have no more to say about this, Foo.

We are starting to go back to the same list of items that we in the past have already spent many hours arguing about.

Let the people decide for themselves.

When a Church has a Teaching Authority, the Church is able to promulgate one single written and published statement of Theology. One Truth.

When a Church does not have an established Teaching Authority, then, every single individual person is their very own Teaching Authority, which means you have no Teaching Authority at all - OR it means you have as many Teaching Authorities as the number of those who declare themselves to be a Teaching Authority.

There's no further need for me to hi-jack this thread, so, I am out of here.
This post was edited on 3/7/26 at 2:12 pm
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 3/7/26 at 2:16 pm to
Looks like Will Wade in that pic!
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
19813 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 2:19 pm to
I don’t believe in you.
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12954 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 2:22 pm to
I would have loved to see him debate Charlie Kirk . Kirk would have destroyed him . Even though most real pastors could destroy this nut in a debate . It’s crazy people believe these nuts .
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46872 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 3:46 pm to
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When a Church has a Teaching Authority, the Church is able to promulgate one single written and published statement of Theology. One Truth
My denomination has this. We have one Bible and one confession of faith that summarizes the teachings of scripture on important issues. We also have close communion with many other denominations that agree with us on the most critical issues.

What you are going on about is your organizational unity, which also has internal divisions, but you don’t care about that because it looks unified from the outside.

At the end of the day, what matters most is union with Christ, worshipping Him in Spirit and Truth. If you don’t have the truth, unity doesn’t matter. There are many religions that are unified at their core but lack the truth that saves.
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
10836 posts
Posted on 3/7/26 at 3:47 pm to
Who knew the Virgin Mary was considering an abortion.
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