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re: Trump: "Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle."
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:46 am to Champagne
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:46 am to Champagne
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Nice prayer, but, why on earth would Trump pray to anybody other than Jesus Christ? Seems like Idolatry to me.
You're being disingenuous.
St Michael represents protection, and Catechism (sp) identifies prayer to the Saints as praying to what they "represent" and not deifying them.
Troll elsewhere Satan.
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:50 am to FooManChoo
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You look for every opportunity to spread your lies, don't you?
It seems compulsive at this point. Dude spends an incredible amount of time attempting to deconstruct people on a message board from the Christian faith.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 9:55 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 9:54 am to Jason9782003
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I was waiting for this
You didn't have to wait long. People always get butt hurt when Catholics ask saints and other heavenly members to intervene on their behalf. They never look at the actual prayer. No different than asking Aunt Bertha to pray for Uncle Wally because he has cancer.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 10:02 am to FooManChoo
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FooManChoo
Face the facts- John of Patmos believed Christians were children of this “woman” (Asherah/Holy-Spirit/Mary) of heaven.
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17Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Understand? Christians are the children of this heavenly mother.
Oh no, you have your dogma to uphold. You will reject your own scripture while claiming to uphold it. Man you sure do hate facts
. Sun of righteousness with healing in her wings and the moon at her feet, represented by the bird known as the bird of the heavenly mother Asherah/Ishtar. Facts.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 10:04 am to Squirrelmeister
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I’m not a christian though I was raised as one, but I’m very educated on the subject matter
No, actually, you aren't. You aren't educated on the subject matter at all. But... spread your lies... you are quite good at that.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 10:08 am to MemphisGuy
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No, actually, you aren't. You aren't educated on the subject matter at all. But... spread your lies... you are quite good at that.
Just ignore him Memphis. It's his shtick. His post history is littered with religious threads and him dropping in constantly to try and deconstruct everyone around him. He's not looking for genuine debate or exchange of ideas. He just wants to "win" and rattle people's faith. It's honestly sad.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 10:14 am to JiminyCricket
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JiminyCricket
If you knew that 2/3 of people were living in a false reality, would you try to help them see actual reality for what it is?
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Dude spends an incredible amount of time attempting to deconstruct people on a message board from the Christian faith.
Foolanecraig must really get on your nerves then. He spends more time than me on here “educating” other Christians about how they are misguided and misinterpreting scriptures and like many on here hating on Catholics and calling them “non Christians”.
Is this an issue of you guys being able to dish out criticism without being able to take it themselves? You guys whine about my “atheistic evangelism” while engaging in Christian evangelism yourselves. At least think about getting some personal integrity.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 10:15 am to MemphisGuy
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No, actually, you aren't. You aren't educated on the subject matter at all. But... spread your lies... you are quite good at that.
Yet another ad hominem attack with no actual substance. Sad.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 10:16 am to Squirrelmeister
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If you knew that 2/3 of people were living in a false reality, would you try to help them see actual reality for what it is?
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Dude spends an incredible amount of time attempting to deconstruct people on a message board from the Christian faith.
Foolanecraig must really get on your nerves then. He spends more time than me on here “educating” other Christians about how they are misguided and misinterpreting scriptures and like many on here hating on Catholics and calling them “non Christians”.
Is this an issue of you guys being able to dish out criticism without being able to take it themselves? You guys whine about my “atheistic evangelism” while engaging in Christian evangelism yourselves. At least think about getting some personal integrity.
I'm not gonna argue with you dude. I've done it too many times already. You envision a godless world free of any belief and we're just not going to find common ground. You're strictly here to advocate for an entirely atheistic world. We won't find common ground.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/30/24 at 10:16 am to Champagne
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Trump is an Idolator. I can't vote for that.
Your ignorance of intercession versus adoration is a symptom of the disease of 1517.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 11:39 am to JiminyCricket
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It's his shtick. His post history is littered with religious threads and him dropping in constantly to try and deconstruct everyone around him. He's not looking for genuine debate or exchange of ideas. He just wants to "win" and rattle people's faith. It's honestly sad.
Oh, I know... he sees a thread that even remotely mentions religion and it's his batsignal to come post his nonsensical, nonfactual screed against said religion the he very much doesn't believe in and finds it very necessary to tell everyone just how much he doesn't believe in it, as if trying to convince himself that he doesn't believe it in.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 11:43 am to Champagne
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Nice prayer, but, why on earth would Trump pray to anybody other than Jesus Christ? Seems like Idolatry to me.
Trump is an Idolator. I can't vote for that.
Lofty troll, mate
Posted on 9/30/24 at 11:53 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Oh really? An orthodox, non-Roman Catholic interpretation based on the whole of Scripture and the context of Revelation is that the Woman is the Church. You think that's Asherah?
Face the facts- John of Patmos believed Christians were children of this “woman” (Asherah/Holy-Spirit/Mary) of heaven.
You completely miss what God, through John's vision, has done with Revelation. The apocalyptic literature is full of metaphors and symbols of other things and you think John is just being very on-the-nose about this particular vision representing Asherah--a Canaanite idol that was condemned by God in Israel and goes against the teachings of John, himself, in his other writings condemning idolatry and worshipping only God--instead of sticking with his theme of the vision being meant to give comfort to Christians in the 1st century. You think John just snuck in this idolatrous image into the text out of nowhere? You think John believed in, and possibly worshipped Asherah after Asherah worship was dead in Israel for nearly 500 years and John was Christian, which had no teachings of Asherah other than that all non-worship of the Father, Son, and Spirit was idolatry?
What I find funny is that you make your claims with such certainty over and against 2,000 years of Christian theologians--who actually care about what the text teaches--based on conspiracy theories where you have to piece together bits and pieces of information, cherry-picked for effect, to display as a complete thought. You take a verse out of its context and say, "hey, that looks sort of like this other thing therefore it MUST BE this other thing!" even though the text of the Bible provides enough information itself to help Christians understand what it's teaching. You do this with so many verses and passages that it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:01 pm to LeeeroyJenkins
quote:Bowing down to Baal and asking him to pray for us isn't idolatry, it's intercession.
Your ignorance of intercession versus adoration is a symptom of the disease of 1517.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:30 pm to faraway
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not the ones who read the Bible with a minimum of 5th grade reading comprehension. You have absolutely zero reason to pray to anyone But Christ, God Almighty, or the Holy Spirit
James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
Your theology is infantile and lacking. I wonder if you've ever asked another person to pray for you.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:31 pm to FooManChoo
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An orthodox, non-Roman Catholic interpretation based on the whole of Scripture and the context of Revelation is that the Woman is the Church
That interpretation is wrong. The sun of righteousness with the moon at her feet, with the 12 stars of Israel who gives birth to a son who defeats the dragon Leviathan (Yahweh is also said to have defeated the dragon leviathan in many other books of the Bible) is obviously Asherah, the mother of Yahweh and wife of El.
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The apocalyptic literature is full of metaphors and symbols of other things and you think John is just being very on-the-nose about this particular vision representing Asherah
Sometimes the simplest reading is the correct reading.
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Asherah--a Canaanite idol that was condemned by God in Israel
The Israelites were Canaanites. The Israelites - some or many - did worship Asherah and that’s exactly what the Bible says. The archeological evidence in Israel and Egypt of their worship of Asherah cannot be denied (at least not honestly). Asherah was as much a Canaanite deity as she was an Israelite deity.
Worship of Asherah wasn’t condemned by God (he doesn’t exist) but was condemned by scribes of the Persian period in Jersusalem. So what scriptures are you going to follow, Foolanecraig? The scriptures written by Jewish scribes beholden to the Persians who were their overlords and who funded the building of the temple? Or are you going to believe “Jesus” when he says the temple priests in Jersusalem were corrupt and did not know the scriptures? The very group of priests and scribes that the gospel version of Jesus labeled corrupt are the ones that attempted to write Asherah out of existence or turn her into an inanimate object and false god.
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the teachings of John, himself, in his other writings condemning idolatry and worshipping only God
You can’t be stupid enough to believe the John who wrote the Apocalypse also wrote 1 John or 2 John or the gospel according to John. No way. Never mind. Use your brain for once.
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You think John believed in, and possibly worshipped Asherah after Asherah worship was dead in Israel for nearly 500 years and John was Christian, which had no teachings of Asherah
John of Patmos like most early Jewish Christians, the Essenes of Dead Sea Scrolls fame, and the first temple cult before Babylonian conquest worshipped the divine mother. Worship of her was not dead for 500 years. You are reading one-sided writings written only by the people who wanted to erase Asherah.
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What I find funny is that you make your claims with such certainty over and against 2,000 years of Christian theologians--who actually care about what the text teaches--based on conspiracy theories where you have to piece together bits and pieces of information, cherry-picked for effect, to display as a complete thought.
What I find hilarious is that you don’t have enough sense to see that what you wrote perfectly describes the first Christians who cherry-picked the Jewish Bible and reinterpreted it in light of Jesus. Those earliest Christians turned peshers from the Enochian/Essene community into Christianity.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:38 pm to Lizardman2
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why on earth would Trump pray to anybody other than Jesus Christ
Donald thinks Christ prays to trump
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:41 pm to CatsGoneWild
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Jesus tells us how to pray in the Bible.
I wonder how many times you pray the Our Father. A lot of us Catholics pray it 6 times a day.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:07 pm to Champagne
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You can tell by the responses I got to my "test post" that I posted about not praying to Angels
Prayers to - no.
Prayers through - yes.
It is no different than asking your friends to pray for you.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:13 pm to stout
Look, I’m still voting for the guy, but anyone who thinks he’s a genuine Christian is a retard. In an interview he could not name a single Bible verse or say whether he preferred the OT or the NT. In fact he specifically got nervous, started talking really fast, and completely dodged both questions saying it was too personal for him.
Yeah, OK.
I get that he needs to maintain the illusion that he’s a Christian to appease the evangelical morons, but only an idiot would see this as anything other than pure religious grifting.
Yeah, OK.
I get that he needs to maintain the illusion that he’s a Christian to appease the evangelical morons, but only an idiot would see this as anything other than pure religious grifting.
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