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Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:45 am to GeorgePaton
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:45 am to GeorgePaton
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Without the Electoral College system states with high population like New York, California, etc. would decide elections. The Electoral College system was genius.
You guys keep saying this, but popular votes in the past would have resulted in Presidents that were not favored by NY/Cali
Do you not see that?
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 9:46 am
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:47 am to cahoots
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The coal industry. Environmental regulations. The steel industry. Tariffs. All of these things affect the Midwest more than, say, Texas.
Are you dense? Power and Steel affect the entire country. Not just those industries. Trump isn't supporting coal and steel to help out Virginia and Detroit. He's supporting them because more coal production brings down energy cost nationwide. More steel production brings down costs nationwide. Not to mention it employs thousands of Americans directly and indirectly to industries that work with those producers.
You are incredibly short sighted.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:49 am to The Pirate King
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Where were these electoral college threads between 2008-2016?
I didnt post about on here but if you venture to talk to people IRL or go to other conservative boards, many people dislike the EC before or during Obama.
I personally believe that most states need to adopt a Maine system. Give candidates a percentage of each state
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:51 am to cahoots
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The coal industry. Environmental regulations. The steel industry. Tariffs. All of these things affect the Midwest more than, say, Texas
Its clear that you don't quite grasp how an economy works
If people in the Midwest have no jobs or money, then its hard to travel to Texas on vacation or a sporting event, or order something and have it shipped from Texas
See how that works? Otherwise known as "a rising tide lifts ALL boats"
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:51 am to BugAC
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Are you dense? Power and Steel affect the entire country. Not just those industries. Trump isn't supporting coal and steel to help out Virginia and Detroit. He's supporting them because more coal production brings down energy cost nationwide. More steel production brings down costs nationwide. Not to mention it employs thousands of Americans directly and indirectly to industries that work with those producers.
You are incredibly short sighted.
LOL
The number of Americans employed in the coal industry is minimal and almost exclusively in the Midwest. It’s clearly pandering to those people. Every industry affects the country but you are kidding yourself if you don’t think coal is being placed much higher on the priority list than if those coal plants were located in California or Texas
It’s funny because you say that Hilldog ignores the Midwest and lost. But then now you’re saying that Trump didn’t pander to them.
Which way is it?
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 9:53 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:51 am to cahoots
quote:Soooo.... it biases policies towards the middle?
So not only does the electoral college render many Americans’ votes worthless, it also creates constant bias towards catering to the needs of Americans in swing states. It basically biases the presidency towards policies that influence swing states ALL THE TIME.
And you think that’s a bad thing for a diverse country?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:52 am to MisslePig
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MisslePig
I think you meant that for someone else MP
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:52 am to cahoots
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A huge % of Americans are sitting on the sidelines.
More than a third of the U.S. population lives in California, Texas, Florida, New York, and Illinois. Instead of visiting the mid-west, the candidates would just visit the states that afford them the highest number of popular votes. Flyover country would be ignored and you would have the exact same problem you are bitching about right now.
What incentive would a state like Wyoming have to get out and vote? You pretty much leave the smaller states entirely without a voice in a direct presidential election.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:52 am to cahoots
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If you are a blue voter in a red state or a red voter in a blue state, you are essentially useless in the eyes of a presidential candidate. It’s all about the swing states.
one person campaigned in Pennsylvania, Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Alabama, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Louisiana, etc.
one person campaigned in NYC and California.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:53 am to cahoots
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Every industry affects the country but you are kidding yourself if you don’t think coal is being placed much higher on the priority list than if those coal plants were located in California or Texas
Why doesn't he have to pander to Texas? Why doesn't he bother to pander to California?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:54 am to cahoots
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So you are wrong.
Well, I am in good company. This whole America thing is lost on you.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:55 am to cahoots
Two things you need to understand:
1) We are a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy.
2) You are not smarter than Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
1) We are a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy.
2) You are not smarter than Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:55 am to cahoots
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Voter turnout would be completely different.
Anyone that votes in presidential elections for that sole purpose only and not in their local elections is not that concerned about politics to the point they should be imo. I definitely don't like the idea of three or four states dictating how the other 46 can run their states.
We're 50 individual states, the grown children, wanting to live our lives in a certain way without the interference of a national government, the parents, telling us how to do it. But we can all show up on the holidays and enjoy each other as a family.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:57 am to Homesick Tiger
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Anyone that votes in presidential elections for that sole purpose only and not in their local elections is not that concerned about politics to the point they should be imo. I definitely don't like the idea of three or four states dictating how the other 46 can run their states.
Here's how it goes:
President panders to swing states
Swing states help President get elected
President keeps pandering to swing states
The entire presidency is constantly biased towards swing states. And swing states are not the same thing as flyover states either. It's a very select few.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 9:59 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:59 am to jawnybnsc
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Two things you need to understand:
1) We are a Constitutional Republic, not a Democracy.
2) You are not smarter than Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.
I was discussing this with Mrs. Vox yesterday. It's pretty remarkable when you think that a document that was written almost 230 years ago has only been amended less than 30 times. Add to the fact that 2 of the Amendments offset each other (Prohibition), so you only have 15 legit clarifications outside of the Bill of Rights.
It is an amazing document that has stood the test of time.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:00 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Why doesn't he have to pander to Texas? Why doesn't he bother to pander to California?
Because TX will elect him no matter what and California will not. If we had a popular vote, Trump would have to cater to both because there are a lot of Republicans in both states, many of which don't vote in Presidential elections right now.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:02 am to cahoots
I would like to see every state go to the congressional district model like Nebraska and Maine, but the swing states would never change to that model.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:02 am to cahoots
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Because TX will elect him no matter what and California will not. If we had a popular vote, Trump would have to cater to both because there are a lot of Republicans in both states, many of which don't vote in Presidential elections right now.
But, doesn't this illustrate that the "catering" is more from a philosophical perspective, than some sort of enticement for pork?
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:03 am to cahoots
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President keeps pandering to swing states
If you were a fisherman you would understand the above.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 10:03 am to cahoots
The US is a Constitutional Federal Republic. It is not a direct democracy. It was designed that way to keep the power of the people and the states.
So the people elect their representatives to do their bidding in DC. This includes the electoral college.
So the people elect their representatives to do their bidding in DC. This includes the electoral college.
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As Benjamin Franklin was exiting after writing the U.S. constitution, a woman asked him, “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a republic or a monarchy?” He replied, “A republic—if you can keep it."
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