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Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:42 am to
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49522 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:42 am to
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For the love of money is the root of all evil.

and is the motivating factor for all the bad politicians we have been burdened with.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55514 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:43 am to
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Anesthesia is at the mercy of the surgeon. Why should we be punished if the case last longer than it should be?

I can think of reasons in which the insurance companies’ positions make perfect sense and are justified. What if anesthesiologists are intentionally milking the system by unnecessarily prolonging their engagement?

What we have here is a wonkish issue that almost none of us knows shite about.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
24414 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:45 am to
How many are doing that vs how many could be harmed by surgeon or someone rushing?

It’s like any other issue, it’s all about framing the grey area. Interesting if the legacy media chimes in on one side or the other.

The problem in this is the solution potential harms an innocent party. The patient has nothing to do with this squabble but it’s their body/life that is in the middle of it.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 6:47 am
Posted by GusMcRae
Deep in the heart of the Big Sleazy
Member since Oct 2008
3783 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:48 am to
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It’s very common practice to watch a procedure or 2 before committing to a surgeon. Just time them or request previous surgical records and do t choose one that routinely goes over. If you let doctors take as long as they want they will naturally extend the procedure.


This is some of the most ignorant shite ever posted on this site. Quite an accomplishment.

I’ll just take a single point: a surgeon and the hospital make more money off of 3 T&A’s that take 20 minutes each than a single T&A that takes 60 minutes.

There is no incentive to drag your feet… quite the opposite.
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10775 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:51 am to
She’s a count
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55514 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:53 am to
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these insurance companies are evil. They are strictly about the bottom line

EVERY company is strictly about the bottom line. Either that are they are about limiting liability (which is really the same thing) or charity. I’ve had about eight or ten companies, and every partner I’ve had in every company was about one thing - the bottom line.

I take that back. One partner was all about the top line. He thought revenue was the big lever for his valuation. I still think he was wrong, but anyway, it’s much the same thing - personal enrichment.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10796 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:56 am to
" They won't be able to walk down the street"
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
3188 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:03 am to
I always look for a surgeon who will rush/hurry.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55514 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:05 am to
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and is the motivating factor for all the bad politicians we have been burdened with.

And for all the people who voted for them, against them, or didn’t vote.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55514 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:07 am to
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How many are doing that vs how many could be harmed by surgeon or someone rushing?

You see? A great example of not knowing anything about the issue. Someone has already posted that the surgeons are paid by the engagement, not by how long it takes.

I don’t know enough about it to opine; neither do you. But that ain’t stopping you.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55514 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:10 am to
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a surgeon and the hospital make more money off of 3 T&A’s

Listen Gus, I appreciate your insight, and even more how you tricked Lorena Wood into giving it up, but please try to use terms those of us outside the industry understand.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32051 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:11 am to
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EVERY company is strictly about the bottom line. Either that are they are about limiting liability (which is really the same thing) or charity. I’ve had about eight or ten companies, and every partner I’ve had in every company was about one thing - the bottom line.


I understand they have to make money but it’s a fricked up system and not true capitalism. They are in bed with the politicians to stack the deck against their customers who are forced to use their shitty products.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
96947 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:28 am to
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I can think of reasons in which the insurance companies’ positions make perfect sense and are justified. What if anesthesiologists are intentionally milking the system by unnecessarily prolonging their engagement?


So the patient should suffer because the doctor they allowed in THEIR network is an a'hole?

Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55514 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:31 am to
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and not true capitalism. They are in bed with the politicians to stack the deck against their customers who are forced to use their shitty products.

Now that’s true. But you should add that the voters are implicated in this. Insurance should not be tied to employment. Employment should be a cash for work deal.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55514 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:33 am to
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So the patient should suffer because the doctor they allowed in THEIR network is an a'hole?

That’s not what would happen, which is that anesthesiologists who are taking unfair advantage of the system would stop doing that. Please remember that this is hypothetical; I’m not implying that is what is happening.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128778 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:33 am to
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anesthesiologists are intentionally milking the system


Anesthesiologists have a practice of this. Some anesthesiology groups will purposefully not participate in the plans that the hospitals that they service are in-network with. This allows them to bill out of network rates for a patient who didn’t choose to use them while the patient was perhaps in network with the surgeon and facility.

When you’re a bad actor, you get extra red tape to deal with.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25840 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:37 am to
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Did she do anything more than publish the name and picture? If she provided context like "contact the CEO" or something, that's going to change things.
Just the name and picture along with a screengrab of another tweet about BCBS new limitation on anesthesia.

Given that the UHC CEO’s body wasn’t even cold yet when she sent this out, if you think she was trying to do anything besides threaten or intimidate the BCBS CEO, then I don’t know what to tell you
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
4585 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:44 am to
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If you let doctors take as long as they want they will naturally extend the procedure


Are surgeons paid by the hour?
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1732 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:47 am to
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Anesthesia is at the mercy of the surgeon. Why should we be punished if the case last longer than it should be?


I am not condoning the implication of killing this CEO. I want to address this comment specifically. There are now a lot of facilities that perform procedures where the anesthesiologist is not contracted with the facility and therefore bills separately. Typically for anesthesia it is part of the supercharge for the procedure. This is likely a way to make the anesthesia reimbursement standardized for the procedure. Surgeons/hospitals get a certain amount based on what the procedure is, not based on time, per the contracts with blue cross and others. These independent anesthesiologist often require the patient to pay with a check and then give the patient a superbill for them to file with insurance. This may actually be a way to protect patients from anesthesiologist over charging them as the patient has a way to negotiate with the anesthesiologist now to say this is what you get.
Posted by The Cool No 9
70816
Member since Jan 2014
11146 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:53 am to
I'm with UHC through my company. Crazy news.

Why did someone want to shoot him?
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