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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:40 am to Centinel
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:40 am to Centinel
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They should live within their means. What is so difficult to grasp about this?
Is expecting to be paid for doing a job not living with in ones means?
Seems to me, that one's weekly or bi weekly salary would be a factor in those means they are supposed to live within. No one is saying that there will be 800k homeless come the end of the month, but there will be quite a few that have dings on their credit history to get sorted out due to something they have no control over.
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:40 am to BugAC
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As a fedgov worker, your company doesn't make money.
The CIA's drug distribution network brings in more money than Apple.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:42 am to boogiewoogie1978
Our intelligence agencies are above reproach or so I’ve been told
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:42 am to 9th life
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Seems to me, that one's weekly or bi weekly salary would be a factor in those means they are supposed to live within.
Thank you for making my point. I take my salary and then make sure I set aside at least six month's worth of pay at my current rate, then max my 401k contribution. What I have left is what I live on.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:43 am to boogiewoogie1978
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The CIA's drug distribution network brings in more money than Apple.
I see someone watched "Kill the Messenger"
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:45 am to BugAC
Is there, or is there not, federal credit unions and the like who will give them loans with the expectation that the back pay they’ll receive when the shutdown ends will pay the loans back?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:45 am to KiwiHead
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I see someone watched "Kill the Messenger"
Never seen it. Worth a watch?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:47 am to ClientNumber9
thx for the answers
your answers are very encouraging & I hope this ends soon
good luck
I just hope enough people that need to know are aware of this...
your answers are very encouraging & I hope this ends soon
good luck
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ETA- to address the loans, most of us are ok, provided this doesn't go on for months. But most of us are formally military and banks like Navy Credit Union, Pentagon, Cabrillo, etc are giving agents interest free loans based on your pay grade.
I just hope enough people that need to know are aware of this...
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:49 am to dcbl
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I just hope enough people that need to know are aware of this...
Cant speak for the non-military folks, but I know when the 2013 shutdown happened it was a big priority to make sure the soldiers, especially junior soldiers with a family, were aware of these programs.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:51 am to Centinel
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Thank you for making my point. I take my salary and then make sure I set aside at least six month's worth of pay at my current rate, then max my 401k contribution. What I have left is what I live on.
And if you were to go unpaid unexpectedly through no fault of your own? you would shrug your shoulders, and say thank goodness I save. No, you would complain about it. It is owed to you and being withheld. That doesnt make you part of the entitlement class or living paycheck to paycheck, it means that you are human and want what you are owed.
ETA: I didnt make your point and you didnt answer my question: is expecting to be paid for a job not living within one's means?
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 9:55 am
Posted on 1/11/19 at 9:57 am to boogiewoogie1978
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Never seen it. Worth a watch?
I enjoyed it. It's about Gary Webb the reporter from the San Jose Mercury News who while doing a story on Government civil forfeiture and drug dealers who are found not guilty comes across a guy who keeps testifying for the government in dug cases who was a big time cocaine smuggler and he goes from there. The government destroyed him
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:08 am to Centinel
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I take my salary and then make sure I set aside at least six month's worth of pay at my current rate, then max my 401k contribution. What I have left is what I live on.
No, you don't
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:21 am to BugAC
Over 400,000 of these employees don’t have a college degree
Over 100,000 make less than $50,000
A third of federal workers are veterans
It’s not the employees that make a lot of money that are going without a paycheck. It’s mainly middle class to lower middle class employees.
If these were not middle class employees the shutdown would be over even without border wall money. The pressure would be to high.
TSA, Coast Gaurd, Federal prison employees are not money making parts of the government.
Middle Class employees without a college education are mainly Trump voters. Do you think the majority would rather have a paycheck or a wall?
Your theory is ignorant. Private companies are trying to make money the government is trying to serve the people and not make a profit.
Over 100,000 make less than $50,000
A third of federal workers are veterans
It’s not the employees that make a lot of money that are going without a paycheck. It’s mainly middle class to lower middle class employees.
If these were not middle class employees the shutdown would be over even without border wall money. The pressure would be to high.
TSA, Coast Gaurd, Federal prison employees are not money making parts of the government.
Middle Class employees without a college education are mainly Trump voters. Do you think the majority would rather have a paycheck or a wall?
Your theory is ignorant. Private companies are trying to make money the government is trying to serve the people and not make a profit.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 10:23 am
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:27 am to BugAC
Essential employees are are showing up to work definitely should be paid.
But my question is, do non-essential employees eventually get paid for time lost during the shut down? If so, that is 100% nonsense.
But my question is, do non-essential employees eventually get paid for time lost during the shut down? If so, that is 100% nonsense.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:30 am to MizzouBS
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Over 400,000 of these employees don’t have a college degree
WTF does that have to do with anything ?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:30 am to BugAC
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BugAC
The government doesn't run on profit motive. Because if it did, that would be stupid as frick.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:30 am to KiwiHead
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No, you don't
Ya, I do. And I have since I was 27. Growing up dirt poor makes you value things differently than your average middle class kid.
Wife and I both make good salaries, but we live in a very modest house. No pool, boats, hunting leases, etc. because saving and being prepared are more important to us than having toys.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:31 am to BugAC
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I say this, and the left is "horrified". Why? Because adults have to experience hardship every now and then? Why is that so terrible? I've gone a few weeks without a paycheck. It sucks, but luckily, i had funds available to float me until I got another job. If these fedgov workers find it tough, maybe they find a job in the private industry? Or maybe they work a part time job to make ends meet.
Frankly you can go frick yourself with this high ground trash you pussies have been spewing here the past few weeks over this. If you get laid off for being shite at your job you also run straight to the unemployment office and collect a paycheck eating oreos and sucking the government's dick. When Katrina hit your shitty little bowl of a city you want FEMA to pay for your stupid choices. When the floods hit Louisiana and texas you all want FEMA to subsidize you not having flood insurance.
These are people going to work every fricking day, yet not getting the paycheck they are entitled for that. This isn't getting laid off, or being fired for poor production, it's not fricking comparable. Want to avoid getting laid off? Don't suck. If you bring value to the company they will keep you, whether it's in that position or another.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:35 am to 9th life
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something they have no control over.
They can go and get jobs in the private sector. But, if they did that they would be subjected to firings, layoffs, 'downsizing', etc. like most of Americans are and we can't have that. Right?
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:37 am to TennesseeFan25
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These are people going to work every fricking day, yet not getting the paycheck they are entitled for that.
There we have it. Entitlement. That is what Government Jobs and Employees comes down to.
This is fricking pathetic. Government workers are an absolute embarrassment.
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