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Centinel
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
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FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT that requires payment for working hours accumulated.


A) I don't think "essential" government employees fall under this.

B) They will be paid for working hours accumulated.



MizzouBS
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
Private sector jobs and government jobs are completely different. Obama regulations hurt the coal industry, but jobs in Appalachia were hurt for many other reasons.

Coal jobs have been decreasing for decades.

The US has around 140 years of coal on reserve. Coal production west of the Mississippi surpassed coal east of the Mississippi in the mid-90’s. Coal production in Wyoming and surrounding states is much cheaper, easier to mine, more automated, and more environmentally safe. Coal jobs in Appalachia are not going to come back when it can be bought and mined cheaper elsewhere.

Regulations hurt the coal industry, but the Appalachia mining was hurt more by mining elsewhere in the US.
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TennesseeFan25
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
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Are you under the assumption the rest of the military is not also working? Honest question.


The military isn't included in this shutdown dip shite. Are you seriously not tracking that? That's why you posted the stuff about the coast guard isn't it?

Why the frick are you here posting about shite you have no idea about?


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tarzana
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
IOUs and vouchers don't qualify as wages. Don't be at all surprised if all air traffic control personnel walk off the job, and air traffic across the land comes to a screeching halt.

I know there's stonewalling by both Congress and the president, but Trump by executive order, if necessary, needs to open up the government. We're really facing a national crisis, even if hasn't reached the stage of national emergency yet.


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TennesseeFan25
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
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They are going to be paid for their work


They absolutely are, that doesn't help them in the interim for the bills that aren't stopping though. There also doesn't seem to be any light at the end of this tunnel for a resolution, providing uncertainty.



tarzana
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
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Coal jobs have been decreasing for decades

This is a result of profitability, not EPA or OSHA regulations. The cosl industry in the US has reached a status, for the most part, of phased obsolescence.


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Cowboyfan89
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
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So if you are without a pay check for 3,4,5 weeks, so what? You still have a job when the shutdown ends. It's an inconvenience, yes, but often people learn from it. I will bet that any SMART fedgov worker who is sweating right now, will have savings in the eventuality this happens again in the future.

Not everyone is just throwing money away all willy-nilly. What about guys trying to get out of debt? You can't effectively save and get out of debt at the same time. You're dividing the troops.
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I say this, and the left is "horrified". Why? Because adults have to experience hardship every now and then? Why is that so terrible?

Maybe because it's not just adults? You think all of those federal workers don't have kids?

Being overly sympathetic about the situation for federal workers is sickening. Being callous about it is just as bad though. At least SOME of those people try to make good by the job they are in. Yet, some people act like all federal employees are low down dogs, no different than the people that live off food stamps.


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Jake_LaMotta
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
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They absolutely are, that doesn't help them in the interim for the bills that aren't stopping though. There also doesn't seem to be any light at the end of this tunnel for a resolution, providing uncertainty.



They have inherent advantages being Government employees. They have advantages that people in the private sector don't have. One might even call it privilege.


TennesseeFan25
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
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They have inherent advantages being Government employees. They have advantages that people in the private sector don't have. One might even call it privilege.


And you have inherent advantages working at mc'donalds, you get your free meal and all the old fries you can stomach. Every job has inherent advantages, it's called part of a compensation package. You aren't justifying or even arguing anything, you're just making random arse statements and ending with frick the government, then up voting yourself
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Kraut Dawg
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
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If these fedgov workers find it tough, maybe they find a job in the private industry?

Only in the rarest of exceptions, a federal worker will NEVER search for a job outside of usajobs.gov. It must be a learned mindset of dependency like welfare recipients. They're afraid to get out of "the system" because they're scared of it.


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9th life
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
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That is what the majority of Americans do. You realize that right?


And you ignored the rest of my post. Are there enough available jobs for this to be a reasonable suggestion? I dont recall a month where 800k jobs have been added, but I am open to the possibility i am wrong.


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NolakcbrTiger
Member since Jun 2018
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re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown
Except it's not without compensation.
They will get full back pay when shutdown ends and they will have their jobs back at full pay...no pay cuts, no firings, no loss of benefits/vacation time, no threat of demotion to lesser salary.
These things happen everyday to everyday people but they don't have the entire media & lefty snowflakes gnashing teeth over the fact that fed employees might have tough times for a while.
Welcome to the real world.
And if they're too stupid to save for hard times, too bad.
Do no feel sorry for them.


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