re: This is why there is no sympathy for a fedgov shutdown

People without a college degree a majority of the time make less money.

Middle class employees without a college education are mainly Trump voters.

Most of these employees will make much less than most us with degrees. My family could go probably go 4 to 5 months without changing our lifestyle and then we would have to dip into our 401k’s.

Most middle class families can’t. Most of the people without a college degree and veterans will fit in this category.

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There we have it. Entitlement. That is what Government Jobs and Employees comes down to

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They are going to work every day, yet not getting the paycheck they are entitled for that.

What is hard to understand about that sentence?

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And they also don't get paid for not working once they're laid off.

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So unemployment benefits aren't a thing in this country any longer?

Is being required to go to work, while not getting paid the same as being laid off?

Coast Guard members are put in some of the highest cost of living areas, along the coast, across the country to meet the needs of the Coast Guard. Not areas they choose, but are assigned to. They have service commitments that don't allow them to go find another job, so they continue to work, without pay. Some financial institutions are providing aid, but not guaranteed and several requirements must be met.

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Coast Guard members are put in some of the highest cost of living areas, along the coast, across the country to meet the needs of the Coast Guard. Not areas they choose, but are assigned to. They have service commitments that don't allow them to go find another job, so they continue to work, without pay. Some financial institutions are providing aid, but not guaranteed and several requirements must be met.

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It's funny that people keep mentioning the Coast Guard in all this. Right after a sob story article was posted about Coast Guard families.

And on that note, there are plenty of programs to help military families make it through these shutdowns. Like I've posted elsewhere, it was a huge command focus during the 2013 shutdown when I was active duty, and I'm sure the same thing is happening now. The military will be fine.

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It's funny that people keep mentioning the Coast Guard in all this. Right after a sob story article was posted about Coast Guard families.

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I'm mentioning the Coast Guard because I am married to Coast Guard.

I am mentioning the Coast Guard, because they are deemed essential and all still working. I agree and have issues with civilians being able to sit at home and then get paid for all of this on the back end. There are people that are actually having negative impacts though.

My wife works with another Chief, so later in his career, that has child support to pay for 4 children, all while stationed in California, so California housing, taxes, and prices. He's rightfully terrified. Again, someone later in their career and established enough. There are young members that are hit even harder, having just started out.

The big difference that are you so blindly missing is the Coast Guard is such a small subset, that's why this is even continuing now. If DoD was impacted as well there would certainly be that level of support, and outrage if not. Because this is such a small segment though that's why there is less aid, and also more of you douchebags able to come here posting saying you don't even feel it, it doesn't matter to you, shut it down for 6 years!

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In the private sector, when a company stops making money, and starts losing money, they start cutting back, making layoffs.

Right. But the employees don't continue working after they're laid off do they dumb arse?

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The government workers barely work anyway. Redundancy is the name of the game in the federal workplace. What's your point?

When the government employees unionize and fight, their adversary is US. WE are their enemy in any dispute. frick them. Let them whine.

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And what happens when ATC and TSA employees start quitting in droves?

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ATCers are not quitting

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I am mentioning the Coast Guard, because they are deemed essential and all still working.

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Are you under the assumption the rest of the military is not also working? Honest question.

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employees don't continue working

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Employees shouldn't report to work if they're not being paid. There's such a law as the FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT that requires payment for working hours accumulated. That's as true for public sector employees as it is for the private sector.

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Right. But the employees don't continue working after they're laid off do they dumb arse?

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Exactly.

I sat next to a person on a plane that works in IT for DHS. They are essential and working but not getting paid. He said there are a bunch of cloud contracts for gov't services that are about to expire due to non payment. He said this includes ones used at the border to process entries. WHoooooohoooooooo.

eta: he was annoyed to in that he had to pay for his airfare/hotel until the gov't was back up.