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re: This is Murder
Posted on 11/28/21 at 8:18 pm to diat150
Posted on 11/28/21 at 8:18 pm to diat150
Kyle ran from the mob first and was being attacked by multiple people…including one that pulled a gun on him.
Also, he didn’t engage the mob…he was there as security to protect the lot.
Again…not defending the ex…but the circumstances are different.
Also, he didn’t engage the mob…he was there as security to protect the lot.
Again…not defending the ex…but the circumstances are different.
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Posted on 11/28/21 at 8:21 pm to diat150
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put your money where your mouth is. $500 donation to the site if this guy is not guilty? Ill send $500 if he ends up guilty. Ill take the risk that there are no text messages uncovered between him and the ex wife talking about shooting the guy.
Bro I’m not even talking about this case. A bunch of posters in here thinking they can pop off just about whenever. It’s not that simple and any jury can see it differently than you.
If you’re going to pull the trigger it has to be knowing there was nothing else you could do. Shooter in this case had other options, I think his best hope is no charges because who knows what a jury will think. It’s not as clear cut as you think.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 8:21 pm to SquatchDawg
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Kyle ran from the mob first and was being attacked by multiple people…including one that pulled a gun on him.
Also, he didn’t engage the mob…he was there as security to protect the lot.
Again…not defending the ex…but the circumstances are different.
Yeah i didnt make the comparison. I just pointed out the idiocy in trying to compare the situations and make it like the guy that shot more people was somehow cool calm and collected.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 8:49 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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How long does it take for someone to “reassess” threat level in your opinion?
At the time of the shooting, the shooter was
~10 feet away from the victim. The victim was standing still and not making any movements towards the shooter. I’m with you—if the victim starts charging the shooter, you can defend yourself. But that’s not the case here.
depends on the situation. In this situation where a guy was on top of you told you he was gonna take your weapon and kill you then tried to take the weapon... its pretty easy to say that if you make the shot in 1 second after the guys hand was on the gun and you also had to contend with gaining your balance and control of the weapon again, you did well. I dont know how anyone could hold someone to a higher standard than that in that situation. I certainly wouldnt.
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I’m talking specifically of the people he did not shoot. He would point his weapon towards aggressors, and if they put their hands up or started retreating, he would not shoot. This guy should have done the same.
the guy never pointed the gun at the victim until he shot him. do you think he should have pointed the gun at him and soon as he went outside and if the guy walked to him shoot him? he would have def went to jail.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 8:59 pm to diat150
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depends on the situation. In this situation where a guy was on top of you told you he was gonna take your weapon and kill you then tried to take the weapon... its pretty easy to say that if you make the shot in 1 second after the guys hand was on the gun and you also had to contend with gaining your balance and control of the weapon again, you did well.
You seem to be hyper focused on this “1 sec” thing so let me ask you a question. If after this tussle, they aren’t 10 feet away from each other, but 25….or 40….could you still shoot someone in self defense bc, hey, just one second ago they were tussling?
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the guy never pointed the gun at the victim until he shot him. do you think he should have pointed the gun at him and soon as he went outside and if the guy walked to him shoot him?
No, I’m talking about when he had 10 feet of separation and he pointed his weapon. I’m arguing it’s reasonable to have the weapon pointed and ready to go, in case the defendant approaches. But in this case, he didn’t. So there was no reason to shoot as if your life is in imminent danger.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 9:07 pm to stlslick
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Ex wife playing the games, and her pussy bo0yfriend grabs a gun and confronts father who wants his fricking son.
Alternate story. Crazy ex comes to mans house to threaten and confront his girlfriend and him. He gets gun to defend his home and it’s occupants.
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You rednecks are going to learn the hard way, about when you can use deadly force.
In Texas it’s a situation just like this one
Posted on 11/28/21 at 9:24 pm to Dawgfanman
been reading up on this interesting situation.
found a reporter that talked to carruths attorney and this is what he said
found a reporter that talked to carruths attorney and this is what he said
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Kyle’s attorney said Chad read had never been there before so never picked up his child there before. He also said the child wasn’t even there. He said Read was in an emotional state, and that he spoke to witnesses who said Read had been “obsessing” over his desire to “kick {Kyle Carruths} arse”
Posted on 11/28/21 at 9:34 pm to Jspaspa3303
A custody order, signed by a judge, is a lawful order, that should be enforced by law enforcement officers, if they are called to intervene.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 9:36 pm to diat150
Lol. So the attorney for shooter thinks the shooting was justified. Very surprising.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 9:41 pm to the808bass
Shooter is going to jail. Plain and simple. A jury is not going to take this as a self defense, garnering all the details in video. IMO
Posted on 11/28/21 at 9:42 pm to the808bass
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Lol. So the attorney for shooter thinks the shooting was justified. Very surprising.
I found it interesting that the victim had never been on the property before... especially since so many people are clinging to he was just trying to get his kid and the shooter wasnt letting him see him and he had a right to be there
This post was edited on 11/28/21 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 11/28/21 at 9:46 pm to diat150
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found it interesting that the victim had never been on the property before
According to the attorney.
He was obviously asking for his kid. You’re saying that was a cover to fight the guy who left and went into the house to get a gun? Not super believable.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 9:57 pm to stlslick
REEEEEEE
Posted on 11/28/21 at 9:58 pm to the808bass
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According to the attorney.
He was obviously asking for his kid. You’re saying that was a cover to fight the guy who left and went into the house to get a gun? Not super believable.
do you have any additional info to add? Quite possible the attorney lied, but I doubt it. Especially considering that carruth said right after the shooting to the guys wife that they never should have been there and that he told them to leave. you cant just pull up on someones property and cause a scene, get physical, then threaten to kill someone. I understand the issue with his son, but that was between the victim, his ex wife, and the courts and shouldnt be settled in the front yard of a boyfriends business/residence. Not only that but Read himself acknowledged the child wasnt there. yet he remained and continued to act like an asshat even though he was told to leave.
This post was edited on 11/28/21 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 11/28/21 at 10:11 pm to diat150
Carruth was still married at the time of the shooting.
So the dynamics might not be as simple as they are presented. If the kids weren’t with the mother and weren’t with the father and the mother wasn’t letting them see the father, where were the kids and why wasn’t the mom with them?
If your ex-wife wasn’t letting you see your kids and you knew where she was, you wouldn’t confront her where she was?
Carruth might not get charged. But I wouldn’t advise anyone to act in the fashion he acted.
So the dynamics might not be as simple as they are presented. If the kids weren’t with the mother and weren’t with the father and the mother wasn’t letting them see the father, where were the kids and why wasn’t the mom with them?
If your ex-wife wasn’t letting you see your kids and you knew where she was, you wouldn’t confront her where she was?
Carruth might not get charged. But I wouldn’t advise anyone to act in the fashion he acted.
This post was edited on 11/28/21 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 11/28/21 at 10:13 pm to diat150
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act like an asshat
Do you run in the house to get a gun if someone starts yelling? It’s weird to see people absolving Carruth of any responsibility.
Posted on 11/28/21 at 10:21 pm to stlslick
As a lawyer with a ton of experience, unfortunately, in these domestic squabbles, it’s my firm belief that women get away with playing the victim and weaponizing custody/visitation way way way too much in this country. I don’t know this particular story, but I can imagine. With all the civil rights crusades out there, it’s time for a fathers’ rights movement. That’s what I take away from this. Also, always de-escalate. Don’t brandish weapons at your lover’s ex, and don’t try to grab guns from armed men.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 2:13 am to SquaringCircles
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As a lawyer with a ton of experience, unfortunately, in these domestic squabbles, it’s my firm belief that women get away with playing the victim and weaponizing custody/visitation way way way too much in this country. I don’t know this particular story, but I can imagine. With all the civil rights crusades out there, it’s time for a fathers’ rights movement. That’s what I take away from this. Also, always de-escalate. Don’t brandish weapons at your lover’s ex, and don’t try to grab guns from armed men.
Yup. A lot of stupid going on with this situation and looks like the typical playbook was being played by the mother. My lawyer used to call it the Golden Uterus.
As a dad, and dealing with a high conflict ex, always de-escalate is the winning hand. That and an always running and hidden audio recorder is a powerful weapon.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 2:50 am to TigerAxeOK
ughh. I've got a good buddy fighting the same fight right now. his ex doesn't even seem to want the kids. leaves them with her parents while she goes out every night. they wouldn't even testify on her behalf. he did have some relatively recent mental health issues but his life is much more together and geared around the kids.. but they just gave them to her after parading physchiayrists and character witnesses to clear him. it really hurts us to see what that whole family is dealing with at the moment. I can imagine why these types of encounters are extremely volatile.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 6:22 am to tgerb8
I'm going to go out on a limb and I'd say it should be legally easier to shoot someone.
If you are on your property or in your home and someone moves towards you, you can shoot them.
The real stand your ground law.
By making it harder to shoot these idiots, people think they are less likely to do it this they play stupid games.
I'm sorry. It someone points a gun at you leave the situation. Get the police. Seems smarter than trying to grab a gun.
And if you're dumb enough to try to grab a gun? Well play stupid games.
The right to self defense is a sacred one. The liberals have been trying to weaken them constantly.
Stand your ground was a start. But you have to start following the law of stand your ground. If you advance on a guy with a gun telling you to stop, you should be allowed to shoot them. Of course there would be minor exceptions. But that would be the main point.
If you are on your property or in your home and someone moves towards you, you can shoot them.
The real stand your ground law.
By making it harder to shoot these idiots, people think they are less likely to do it this they play stupid games.
I'm sorry. It someone points a gun at you leave the situation. Get the police. Seems smarter than trying to grab a gun.
And if you're dumb enough to try to grab a gun? Well play stupid games.
The right to self defense is a sacred one. The liberals have been trying to weaken them constantly.
Stand your ground was a start. But you have to start following the law of stand your ground. If you advance on a guy with a gun telling you to stop, you should be allowed to shoot them. Of course there would be minor exceptions. But that would be the main point.
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