re: This is Murder

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Nobody was more calm than the shooter in that video. He tried to reason with the victim by telling him the son wasnt there and please leave his property. The victim on the other hand was very confrontational with him. He pointed in his face and told him to shut his fricking mouth, aggressively followed the guy to his front door, threatened to take the mans gun and kill him with it, followed by trying to take the gun while getting physical with the shooter. The victim was unhinged and his actions clearly showed that he was a threat and dangerous. The shooter didnt have the luxury of being able to 2nd guess the situation behind a keyboard.

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I guess that’s one interpretation. The other being the guy must not have feared for his life too much because he could have stayed in the house and called the police. He also decided to fire off some warning shots. Does this make him the aggressor now? I think we’ll all find out together.

Shooter is a bitch either way. The question you should ask yourself in a self defense situation isn’t “can I shoot this person” it’s “do I have to”. Dude didn’t need to shoot anybody that day. Maybe the law is on his side, but he’s a piece of shite.

Murder? Who died?

Just listened to Andrew Branca’s Law of Self Defense podcast on this case. From his view, the shooter should be in a lot legal trouble up to murder 1.

Mostly, Carruth loses on the imminence test of self defense. In order to be privileged to use deadly force, you must be either in the middle of the attack or the attack is imminent.

In this case, Read retreated before he was shot. At the time the trigger was pulled, Carruth was not in imminent threat of a deadly force attack. Case closed.

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Just listened to Andrew Branca’s Law of Self Defense podcast on this case. From his view, the shooter should be in a lot legal trouble up to murder 1.

Mostly, Carruth loses on the imminence test of self defense. In order to be privileged to use deadly force, you must be either in the middle of the attack or the attack is imminent.

In this case, Read retreated before he was shot. At the time the trigger was pulled, Carruth was not in imminent threat of a deadly force attack. Case closed.

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That dude is full of shite. Less than 2 seconds before he was shot the victim was fighting for the shooters weapon and had flung the shooter off of his front porch in an attempt to pull the weapon from him. And that is a few seconds after he approached the armed shooter and told him he would take the gun away and kill him with it. Less than 2 seconds.

Read didnt retreat at all, he overtook the mans porch while trying to separate the shooter from his weapon.

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Ex wife playing the games, and her pussy bo0yfriend grabs a gun and confronts father who wants his fricking son.

New boyfriend life was NEVER in trouble,and neither was his count of a ex-wife.

You rednecks are going to learn the hard way, about when you can use deadly force.

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What the hell does any of that have to do with me? The only person who would be learning anything the hard way would be an idiot like you trying to start something you can't finish

I can’t believe that guy killed him.
That was a bitch arse move.
I hope the law is on the dead dude’s side.

With that being said, don’t fight with a guy that has a gun.

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Her bf was all too willing to act like a tough guy to threaten the guy off his property.

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Its weird how people can watch the same video and end up with completely different views. The only one acting like a tough guy was Read. Before Carruth went in to get the gun Read pointed in his face and told him to shut his fricking mouth. Read was the one being confrontational, screaming, and making threats. He was the one that got physical, and he was the one that threatened to take a gun from an armed man and use it on him and followed thru on it. Carruth was well within his right to retrieve his weapon if that is what made him feel he could protect his family and employees with a man that was angry and refusing to leave his property when asked.

The kids, Their mom is fricking the guy that killed their dad. It’s on video and out for the world to see. That’s going to frick with their head and come to the surface in the future. I’d completely hold resentment to my mom if that happened to me.

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You rednecks are going to learn the hard way, about when you can use deadly force.

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Not from a weak-minded coward that lives in St. Louis.