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re: Things "my side " stands for that I think stink

Posted on 4/28/18 at 9:44 am to
Posted by theronswanson
House built with my hands
Member since Feb 2012
3256 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 9:44 am to
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That being said, I’ve never quite understood why Republicans have this general desire to kill human beings as a form of retributive justice. I think it’s stinks that R’s are “pro” death penalty.


I am a registered Democrat but am definitely pro death penalty. There are some people who commit crimes so heinous and inflict ao much suffering that they should not be allowed to live. I also typically vote for Republixan district attorneys because I think my party is far too soft and forgiving on crime.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
22879 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 9:45 am to
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We are divided into tribes or teams, and it’s not really healthy for our republic.



What I have learned from all the Trump stuff on the news is that we are all sheeple in the eyes of the two parties. There are three groups... left, right, and middle or independent. They seek to divide us along our personal interests and fight for the middle or other demographic groups that may help their cause.

The Trump election and post election hubris has brought to light how every thing the sides are pushing are things that they hope to use to their advantage in the next election.

The Republican strategy is less obvious because they are in power and are just trying to hold on to it. They have lined up on taxes, economy, trade, and foreign policy. Notice I did not say anything about border security and LGBT issues.

The Democratic strategy is more obvious because they are on the offensive trying to regain power. The Russia strategy is digging for anything that will paint Trump in an ill light so if they manage to win back the House they can impeach him. The other part is to smear Trump on his past relationships (Stormy thing) because they are targeting white women. Trump did not do well with them in the last election and he is susceptible in that demographic. The rearview mirror for the Democrats is the Black vote. This Kanye/Candace Owen thing is big and they want to squash it now because they have already lost from a high of 98% down to about 92% of the BV before the Kanye thing.

The other key thing that I have been appalled at is the prominent Repubs that would prefer to preserve the Washington protocols and hand the keys back to the Democrats rather than get behind The Donald... This came to light on the border security, Obamacare, and budget issues.
Posted by TuDog
Boston
Member since Jun 2005
4536 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 9:51 am to
Regarding Pot, the train has left the station. Can't you see this?
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
12678 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 10:12 am to
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quote:
pot

Of all the things that need fixing, this SHOULD be #985,398,110,438 on the list


I don’t smoke but it sure is a simple change that’ll make a lot of difference. Seems like an easy one to put high on the list
Posted by Teton Tiger
Somewhere between here and there.
Member since Mar 2005
3036 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 10:20 am to
And yet you support killing humans? Abortions.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298324 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 10:39 am to
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Hell yes but you can't selectively pick which laws you want to obey


Everyone does.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298324 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 10:41 am to
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right’s opposition to freedom from religion.


WTF???
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298324 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 10:41 am to
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pot
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Of all the things that need fixing, this SHOULD be #985,398,110,438 on the list


Pot isn't the issue, it's freedom. Freedom should be the number one issue.
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
16984 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 11:34 am to
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Dont like how my side pretends to be for small government and then proceeds to rubber stamp every big government piece of bullshite they can get their hands on


This one isn't on the politicians. It's on the voters. All free shite becomes somebody's free shite and somebodies are more likely to vote a politician out of office for trying to take away their free shite than they are to vote a politician out of office for giving somebody else free shite as long as the voter's free shite gets left alone. Until voters refuse to take free shite that is offered to them politicians wanting their vote are not going to stop offering it to them.

I've ping-ponged between conservatism and liberatarianism all through my life. The one thing I will never understand about conservative politicians who claim to be for smaller government and the rights and liberty of the individual is their support of civil forfeiture laws and eminent domain. These are both counter to everything they claim to stand for.

There are a couple of issues I can legitimately see both sides of the arguments. I have never been able to settle on a consistent view on abortion and to this day I can tear apart anyone's argument for it and tear apart anyone's argument against it. On one hand there is nothing I hate more in life or this world than stupidity and there are way too many stupid people walking around on this planet as it is. Anything that reduces that number is fine by me. Plus no one can look into the future. You can't say for sure that someone who has an abortion wouldn't have had a miscarriage without the abortion. Who is to say that someone who had an abortion wouldn't have been killed in a car wreck on her way to see her doctor for her scheduled visit concerning the progress of her pregnancy a month later if she had not had the abortion. However I challenge anyone to explain to me how holding a position of being against something that has resulted in the deaths of millions and millions of potential baby girls can be considered to be an anti-woman position.

I can also see both sides of the capital punishment debate. What is interesting is that to a fairly decent degree both sides are using the same argument to support their position. Capital punishment supporters don't trust parole boards and other bureaucratic commissions to keep people who should be in prison for the rest of their lives in prison for the rest of their lives. Opponents of capital punishment don't trust juries to not convict innocent people of murder. In other words neither side likes the idea of having to trust a committee to make the right decision in a matter involving capital punishment.

Unlike abortion however I am definitely for capital punishment. To me it comes down to which number you feel will be greater, the number of innocent people executed by the state if capital punishment is allowed or the number of innocent people executed by guilty criminals the state releases inappropriately if capital punishment is banned. I happen to feel the second number would be larger than the first but I can understand other people doing the math differently.

Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16743 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 12:09 pm to
I don't have a side, but most people would peg me as a Republican. Republican support for big government, no-limit spending and corporate welfare stinks.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
35870 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 12:16 pm to
I’m libertarian but opposed to abortion. I think libertarians tend to puss out on this issue.
Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
Member since Jan 2015
3116 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 12:21 pm to
I'm Liberal on every issue except Gun Control.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16743 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 1:29 pm to
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I’m libertarian but opposed to abortion. I think libertarians tend to puss out on this issue.




Lately libertarians have been pussing out on a lot of issues.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 2:04 pm to
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I’m libertarian but opposed to abortion. I think libertarians tend to puss out on this issue
I disagree. Libertarianism is an ideology that affirms the rights of an "individual" over a group. The question of "what constitutes an individual" is inherently a philosophical one, and the LPA platform is wise-enough to realize that not all libertarians will reach the same philosophical conclusions regarding the point at which a "fetus" becomes an "individual."
This post was edited on 4/28/18 at 8:18 pm
Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 2:06 pm to
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I’m moderate so I don’t have a “side” but I can say I hate the left’s position on illegal immigration and the right’s opposition to freedom from religion.


I'm curious to know, who, in the great state of Kentucky,(or any other state in the union) is forcing religion on you?
Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 2:11 pm to
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Learn to read dipshit, you don't have a right to freedom from religion, you have a right to freedom OF religion.


Who is it that is forcing you to believe against your will in any religion?

Ain't happening here in the United States!
Posted by Themole
Palatka Florida
Member since Feb 2013
5557 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 2:35 pm to
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You say I ain't old? I remember when maybe one house in a ward had a TV which got one station and we had to hang out a window and turn the antennae pole to adjust the signal.

TV went off with the National Anthem either right after news or no later than midnight and test patterns popped up on the screen.

I remember a milk man delivering milk to houses of people who could afford it; doctors making house calls.

I can't remember when whippersnapper wasn's used.


I'm right there with ya.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
17567 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 3:23 pm to
If I had to be labeled, I believe I would fall more on the Democrat side than the other. But I do find issue with some things that I dont like...

1. I support gay marriage. I am a christian man, so I do believe that God supported marriage to be between a man and a woman. But, in this country we don't ban all nonchristians from marriage. We dont ban two sexually active people from marriage. We don't ban two drunkards from marriage. The list goes on. Gay people should have the right to get married, that doesn't mean God will acknowledge or honor that marriage (Thats a topic and conversation for another day though.)... My issue though is the entire LGBTWXYZ movement that is being pushed. There are only 2 genders, period. If you want to identify yourself as someone else. Cool, go right ahead. You are an american and deserve all the rights as anyone else. But dont act like being gay/ having an unknown gender is normal. It is NOT. I dont hate you for who you choose to be, I will respect you as a human being. Just know I dont agree with it at all.

2. Americans have the right to own guns. I support that. I don't want to just take everyone's gun away. But I also believe that we as a country should do absolutely everything possible to prevent these mass murdering psychos from legally owning firearms. So, I am potentially in favor of stricter gun control laws. It just depends on the paramaters that would be introduced.

3. Police brutality is not the biggest problem this country is facing. But it is not the biggest. There is not this grand conspiracy of the police to want to kill me as a black man. Many in the media, have said that black men's greatest fear in life is the police. Me personally, my greatest fear is to be in public somewhere minding my business, and someone put a gun to my head demanding my belongings. I'll give you a hint, that robber is not a cop... That being said I myself can be very critical of the cops. I do believe there are issues within our law enforcement and justice system. Many cops these days are way too trigger happy. But they can get away with it. As long as a cop claims "I fear for my life", then they have a get out of jail free card". Whether the shooting is justified or unjustified.

4. Im torn on abortion. I hate it with a passion. But I also think of the babies that are being aborted. If they were allowed to live, many would live in an absolutely terrible home environment. They grow up with a mother who likely doesn't want to raise them, poverty, potentially without a father. Their schools are crap, no role models in their life, etc. I don't want kids growing up like that. That thought turns my stomach...

5. I hate welfare. I understand its usefulness. But the way it is now, it incentivises people to stay on it forever. Welfare should be for people who fell on hard-times and they need some extra help so that they can get back on their feet.

There may be some other minor things that I disagree on, but these are the major things imo.

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