re: THE warharks insist that WE all believe Russia started the war. We started it. Here's how

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The US doesn't break international laws, we are the good guys.

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We are sorta like Scar in the Lion King.

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NATO trying to take Ukraine was the final straw.

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Prior to the invasion, and by NATOs own admission, Putin asked Stoltenberg to assure, in writing, that Ukraine will not become a NATO member or he would invade. NATO laughed in his face then mocked his request publicly.

I would.say that the coups we engineered were a violation of international law. And we broke a verbal.contract when we promised not one inch forward.

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What actions did the US take that violated international law?

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No action breaks no international laws. But, it has been obvious that Biden could have absolutely stopped this was. Should have never started and it would not have happened under Trump, 1) because Nuland would not have been in the picture.

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Prior to the invasion, and by NATOs own admission, Putin asked Stoltenberg to assure, in writing, that Ukraine will not become a NATO member or he would invade. NATO laughed in his face then mocked his request publicly.

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I was going to add this, but don't remember when was the first time Putin put that line in the sand. Does anyone know when he first said this?

I still smh over how all the Z-cucks ignore how Obama/Biden let Russia take over Crimea, and then made an issue over him doing this under Biden. Ignoring this and all the other shady stuff surrounding Democrats and Ukraine, just make them look like total fools.

This is such a dumb debate at this point.

Russia invaded another country with a bunch of varying reasons and objectives for doing so, some involving pretty lame pretenses that collapsed on themselves They started the war that is still going. I say this while simultaneously arguing with the Ukraine-first weirdos on the OT thread.

We can argue about Ukraine's actions prior to that, the role of the US, how reasonable Russia's arguments for initiating the war were, etc. We're all familiar with the NATO expansion argument at this point and we'll have the next century to talk about whether we in some ways forced Russia's hand.

And in 25 years, I'll entertain novel narratives about how actually it was France or Poland or China who started it, as explained by some academic trying to find a new angle on a conflict for which there are already 100 books. But for present purposes, Russia started it and people contorting themselves to make the case otherwise are just being silly.

the west consistently broke promises to expand NATO eastward.
the west created a network of missile installations throughout Eastern Europe aimed at Russia.
the west "removed" a Russia-friendly president in Ukraine and installed their puppet.
the west immediately began threatening NATO membership for Ukraine, a known Russian red line.
the west sets up chemical weapon biolabs all over Ukraine, then lies about it.
Putin requests assurances that Ukraine will not join NATO and is told to GFH.
the west bombs Nordstream and blames it on Russia.
the west oddly scuttles early attempts at a cease fire between Russia and Ukraine.


There are NO GOOD GUYS in this affair.

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What actions did the US take that violated international law?

Thanks in advance for your answer.

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You choose to look at the world the way that you wish it were, or the way that it ought to be.

Realists choose to look at the world the way that it is.