re: The Truth: No One is Born Gay or Trans.

Serious question, why does being touched as a kid cause then to have limp wrists, talk with a lisp, dress like a fig and say words like "fabulous"?

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I completely agree with you. I cannot explain biologically why brunettes are more attractive to me than blonds but they are. I know several gay people who were born that way.

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Apt way of putting it.

If people think being gay is a choice than why don't they show us that it is and choose it?

Also why would they choose it? And why would humans continue to choose it over thousands of years, in different cultures and face persecution?

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Serious question, why does being touched as a kid cause then to have limp wrists, talk with a lisp, dress like a fig and say words like "fabulous"?

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Because children latch onto things they see, some become sports fans, some white boys become obsessed with rap culture.

There's nothing biological about talking with a lisp for being gay, it's entirely culture.

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All you have stated is what you choose to believe as well, while providing not a scintilla of quality, peer reviewed evidence.

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There is no evidence at all.

You are asking me to prove the negative.

Your side has claimed that people are born gay. There is zero evidence for that.

Its like asking to disprove God.

There is nothing false about it.

Do you want to define born gay as something other than at birth is destined to be gay?

Again, why do you need it?

Would you accept them any less if they became gay during early childhood, or due to growth hormones?

What makes you latch to something even Wikipedia admits has no evidence, only statistical likelihood in studies that cant be replicated.

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If people think being gay is a choice than why don't they show us that it is and choose it?

Also why would they choose it? And why would humans continue to choose it over thousands of years, in different cultures and face persecution?

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I do think some people choose it. I think some people are hardwired.

I think Kinsey was onto something and human sexuality exists along a spectrum and some people are closer to the middle of the continuum than others and I think some of those people choose same sex relationships.

And I think the number of those people is growing because it's become a social contagion.

My daughter's core friend group is pretty much entirely LGBTQ. Out of six friends, all six are either gay or trans. Of the three who are trans, two of those are kids she went to high school with (she's 25 now). They didn't "transition" until late college. They check every one of the boxes for people who get into this as a social contagion. They have awful relationships with their parents, they are both on the Autism spectrum, they both went through school in social work and psychology...they were basically recruited into this, and because they had such a crappy family life it undermined their self-esteem to the point that becoming someone entirely different was appealing to them IMO. I think the idea of not having to be the person they grew up as anymore and getting to pick out a new name, new personality, new identity for themselves was extremely seductive.

Now the third trans friend has gender dysphoria IMO, all the way.

Of the non-trans friends, one is "bi-sexual" and another one just says she's LGBTQ to fit in IMO. The third I think is really hardwired gay.

Statistically there is no way—given the percentages of gay/trans before all of the grooming and recruiting—that she would have come across that many people with those characteristics if it was 100% occurring naturally.

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Also why would they choose it? And why would humans continue to choose it over thousands of years, in different cultures and face persecution?

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There are a multitude of things that people have chosen for thousands of years that do far more harm than good.

It happens in every culture, across a variety of topics, choices and situations....and will never end.

The fact that people navigate to a disordered state in the face of overwhelming evidence that it is not something that is "good," is not proof that it is "good" or "natural."

I think a bunch of women's hormones are out of whack from modern factors like plastics and processed foods etc. and it causes a disorder for some babies in gestation and they dont develop properly and end up gay.

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All you have stated is what you choose to believe as well, while providing not a scintilla of quality, peer reviewed evidence.

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No one is born gay. For you to be born with a certain characteristic, it has to be written somewhere on your DNA. With that in mind there has been only 1 study in the history of studies (by a gay researcher) that claims evidence of being born gay

In fact, science has given up on finding a gay gene. The study of identical twins always kills any study of gay gene birth. There are far too many twins where one is gay and another is not. An impossibility if they were born that way. Someone is making a choice

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“It’s effectively impossible to predict an individual’s sexual behavior from their genome,” said Neale, the director of genetics in the Stanley Center for Psychiatric Research at the Broad and an associate professor in medicine at Harvard Medical School

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Since science is no longer looking for a gay gene, the current school of thought is epigenetics. The theory that something happened in the womb where one twin was effected, but the other was not. It too is losing steam, (and funding) because there is no path to a conclusion

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Epigenetic explanations for sexual orientation are still purely speculative, and researchers say that they "cannot provide definitive evidence that homosexuality has a epigenetic underpinning". A paper written in 2014 disagreed that "sex-reversing sensitivity to androgen signaling via epigenetic markers will result in homosexuality in both sexes", noting that non-heterosexuality is far more common in women. Also, a report of a study of 34 male monozygotic twin pairs discordant for sexual orientation revealed no support for the epigenetic hypothesis.

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The fact that, gay and trans is suddenly jumping off the charts in surveys, is proof that its a social construct rather.than a biological one. And since its a social one, the reinforcement from parents, peers, media, etc are more likely to produce a gay/trans person. Also, a bigger factor is children being groomed by predators outside the supervision of unsupportive parent(s)

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Nevertheless, many people still generally assume that someone is either “straight,” “gay,” “lesbian,” or, perhaps, “bisexual,” (Bailey et al., 2016) with the vast majority of people adopting the most socially accepted of these labels – “straight.”

Once one adopts a label, one is also sometimes discouraged from switching to a different one, even if one’s sexual inclinations are changing (American Psychological Association Task Force, 2009)

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The Greeks and Romans openly accepted gay behaviors, and thats why there was plethora of images and documentation of those acts. Once those governing cultures were overthrown, so was the prolific nature of deviant sexual behaviors

And now you have the conclusions of decades long quality, peer reviewed evidence.

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The Truth: No One is Born Gay or Trans.

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If being gay is a choice then being heterosexual is also a choice.

Perhaps you can tell us of when you made that choice. I'm sure you had to be really confused at some point.