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re: The stark difference between the US and China and why we're fricked.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 8:49 am to Bass Tiger
Posted on 3/20/23 at 8:49 am to Bass Tiger
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China is largely a homogeneous society.....
They all look alike, huh? Lol
Please go to school.
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:06 am to SlimTigerSlap
The Han Chinese are the world's largest ethnic group and make up over 90% of the people in China. Yes, there are other small minority groups in China, but the Han dominate the demographics.
No need for "diversity" there.
No need for "diversity" there.
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 9:10 am
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:06 am to Bass Tiger
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I wonder which nation has the best strategy for global dominance.
Is this supposed to be a conclusion to some argument you presented in your post? What is the US strategy? What is the Chinese strategy?
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:20 am to Gray Tiger
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The Han Chinese are the world's largest ethnic group and make up over 90% of the people in China. Yes, there are other small minority groups in China, but the Han dominate the demographics.
No need for "diversity" there.
Yep. China is a world standard for functioning society. If only we were more like China.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:27 am to teke184
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Having lots of unmarried men isn’t good for a society.
Unless the CCP can convince them that their problems are the fault of their enemies, and enlist them in the army.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:35 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:Nevertheless, the Han Chinese are the dominant group and they are not shy about saying it.
In many ways yes, but if you look closer you begin to realize this isn't nearly as true as the CCP wants you to think and there's a lot of history behind why that's the case.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:36 am to Bass Tiger
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other than potential dissatisfaction with economic stratification/classes the Chinese are marching together so far.
What choice do they have? Its not like the CCP allows for a wide range of diverse thought. It why the Chinese have a disadvantage to some degree when it come to technological innovation.
I will gladly accept the divisions of thought and culture we have in the US vs living in what is basically 1984's Oceania.
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China has made great gains in the game of geopolitics by shaking hands, distributing cash and making trade deals....essentially buying favor, we know all too well how that works in the Imperial City aka Washington DC.
Uh... we do the same.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:38 am to GumboPot
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China is screwed from a demographic, energy and food supply perspective.
Their population is expected to decrease by half over the next 30 years. It remains to be seen how much of an economic impact that has though since most will be retirees who are, economically speaking, dead weight. China's biggest issue is going to be our slow divestment of their economy. We're already moving manufacturing from China to Mexico, Vietnam, Thailand, The Philippines, etc. Without our market, China is screwed.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:40 am to Bass Tiger
Name actual Chinese allies besides Russia, North Korea and Iran...
Russia has been neutered in Ukraine. NK can't feed its populace and Iran is currently having massive protests against its regime.
China also will lose half its population in about 20 years. They can't rule the world regardless. Everyone dislikes them and they're on a ticking clock just to take Taiwan back (highly unlikely they won't/can't).
Russia has been neutered in Ukraine. NK can't feed its populace and Iran is currently having massive protests against its regime.
China also will lose half its population in about 20 years. They can't rule the world regardless. Everyone dislikes them and they're on a ticking clock just to take Taiwan back (highly unlikely they won't/can't).
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:42 am to Bass Tiger
China has a negative birth rate
They can’t win
They can’t win
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:49 am to Supravol22
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Name actual Chinese allies besides Russia, North Korea and Iran...
There are none. Other countries tolerate them because they're throwing money around. Once that stops, and it will, China is on their own.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 9:51 am to teke184
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There are multiple types of Chinese. I believe the ones in power are Han Chinese and they aren’t necessarily the biggest group.
The Han are the biggest ethnic group in the world and make up about 1/5 of the world’s population.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:03 am to Bass Tiger
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China is largely a homogeneous society..
Not so as others have addressed.
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China has made great gains in the game of geopolitics by shaking hands, distributing cash and making trade deals....essentially buying favor, we know all too well how that works in the Imperial City aka Washington DC.
Also not so. Their “Belt and Road” program is more akin to predatory loans than gifts of friendship. And the recipients of these loans are starting to default.
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The US has spent tens of trillions of dollars on US military superiority over the past 60 years trying to convince lesser nations to see things our way.....or else!
Not so. Where is the “or else” for Cuba, Venezuela, Belarus, current Afghanistan, Pakistan, South Africa, Myanmar, Turkey, North Korea, Iran, etc.?
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China is using a more effective strategy to gain trust from other nations and they're not being distracted with an internal political faction/ideology that pushes ESG, DEI and climate change foolishness.
Again untrue. They are being extremely aggressive to their neighbors with their new found strength. Perhaps you’ve heard of the artificial islands they are creating and militarizing in the South China Sea? China is claiming international waters and areas claimed by neighboring countries as their territorial waters. In the process they have pissed off Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Brunei, Indonesia, and Malaysia. They angered Australia by boycotting coal. This resulted in Australia finding new customers and China experiencing rolling blank outs!
Also, that wasteful American military you decry as useless, can blocked the Chinese coast preventing the import of food and fuel, preventing the export of their manufactured goods causing economic and physical starvation in the dark.
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I wonder which nation has the best strategy for global dominance.
Forget global dominance! Today’s Communist China will not survive.
And finally from others:
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Chinese can take suffering. Chinese can sleep on a concrete floor with no a/c and eat a bowl of rice a day, no problem.
This is not the China of the rice patty of yesteryear. Because of the one child policy spoiled only-children are common and the young are disproportionately urban now.
Don’t get me wrong. There will be pain, death, and destruction in America. But I’d rather be here than China.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:07 am to Tantal
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Other countries tolerate them because they're throwing money around. Once that stops, and it will, China is on their own.
Also, all of this power and infrastructure they have built/acquired around the world will mean frick all when they can't control their domestic population.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:08 am to tiggerthetooth
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China is largely a homogeneous society... In many ways yes, but if you look closer you begin to realize this isn't nearly as true as the CCP wants you to think and there's a lot of history behind why that's the case.
Even if they were totally homogeneous there are tons of people in China who do not like govt dictating how they must live their lives. That's why so many immigrate to more open nations.
Japan is extremely homogeneous but their people are not anxious to get out because they enjoy much more freedom in Japan than the Chinese do in China.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:11 am to Bass Tiger
The Melting Pot and Multiculturalism are utterly incompatible.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:17 am to Bass Tiger
Ignorant post...china has had many revolutions, it's multi-lingual, multi-divided, aging population, too many men, not enough women. China is cozying up with other autocratic regimes. But you don't like the current administration so the US is losing bc "woke".
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:18 am to Bass Tiger
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The US is a melting pot of cultures that many believed/hoped would make the nation stronger, the cultural Marxists have used these differences to divide Americans.
China is largely a homogeneous society.....they are not nearly as susceptible to cultural divisions like the US.....other than potential dissatisfaction with economic stratification/classes the Chinese are marching together so far.
The US is being foolishly distracted with SJW insanity like ESG, DEI, climate change, etc.
China has made great gains in the game of geopolitics by shaking hands, distributing cash and making trade deals....essentially buying favor, we know all too well how that works in the Imperial City aka Washington DC.
The US has spent tens of trillions of dollars on US military superiority over the past 60 years trying to convince lesser nations to see things our way.....or else!
China is using a more effective strategy to gain trust from other nations and they're not being distracted with an internal political faction/ideology that pushes ESG, DEI and climate change foolishness.
I wonder which nation has the best strategy for global dominance.
The biggest difference is that China has a controlled economy and the US suffers from a irrational fear of socialism. This keeps US companies from being able to compete with the power of the state in China. The only thing that will ever prevent this is for the Chinese people to have had enough and want to be self reliant, rugged individuals like Americans. That ain't likely to happen anytime soon.
There is one more little nagging thing that is different...the US spends an inordinate amount of money and resources ensuring that the globe is relatively safe for trade and investment...US workers and US businesses who are good corporate citizens are at a severe disadvantage with the citizens of other nations who do not foot the bill for their own or their markets security and US Businesses who are not looking for a way to game the system are at a sever disadvantage doing business in the US. US foreign policy for anbout half a century has been all about making certain investors are protected no matter where the idiots happen to invest. In fact the more they invest in idiotic places like China the more the taxpayers of the US must protect their interests.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:18 am to Bass Tiger
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The stark difference between the US and China and why we're fricked.
The USA could crush China if it chose.
We choose not to, and instead use it as a vassal state. We still haven't given up our desire to run the world.
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:23 am to GhostOfFreedom
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"Diversity is our Strength"
It never ceases to amaze that so many people are opposed to diversity. Diversity is indeed a strength...anyway you slice it a diverse organism is stronger and more resilient than one which is less diverse. Imagine a football team composed of nothing but super star wide receivers. Would that team beat a well balanced team with good skill position players and competent linemen? Not no but hell no. The United States is and always has been a diverse nation...it is the core of the US strength in the world. It ain't perfect but it is better than any alternative known to man....
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