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re: The 'Shopping Cart Theory' and moral character
Posted on 6/29/20 at 8:53 am to tigerpawl
Posted on 6/29/20 at 8:53 am to tigerpawl
As I stated in another thread about the same theory, this is classic left authoritarian thinking. If people don’t meet X then they are not capable of self government. The conclusion, WE have to govern them.
No one said a free society would be free from assholes. In fact, part of the price if living in a free society is the risk of violence at the hands of those who would take advantage of the opportunities freedom presents.
It is also illustrative of how core morals are the foundation of free society. Without individual morality, free society simply does not work. That’s why attacking morality is the first order of business for revolution.
No one said a free society would be free from assholes. In fact, part of the price if living in a free society is the risk of violence at the hands of those who would take advantage of the opportunities freedom presents.
It is also illustrative of how core morals are the foundation of free society. Without individual morality, free society simply does not work. That’s why attacking morality is the first order of business for revolution.
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 8:54 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
wheels on curb to anchor is very considerate of others in avoiding runaway carts damaging cars
Posted on 6/29/20 at 8:56 am to tigerpawl
I have noticed a direct correlation between the prices of a store and the rate of abandoned carts. Lowest tier places like shopper’s value, dollar general, and wal-mart have abandoned carts everywhere. Lower tier local grocers have slightly fewer abandoned carts where as high-end grocery stores have relatively few abandoned carts. Does this mean that relative affluence is correspondent with values?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 8:58 am to Powerman
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Not because I'm a great person. I have just gotten in the habit of parking close to the cart stations so I don't forget where I park.
Same, the jeep is armored all the way around, so idgaf if I get bumped by a cart.
I don't bring it inside though...if everyone brought it in, stores wouldn't pay a bubba to clean the lot for the 2-3 assholes that don't return the cart.
I take carts from moms packing kids around...I don't like them leaving kids by themselves if even a few moments to return their cart...it's not altruistic, it's selfishly protective.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:08 am to tigerpawl
Lol....I watched a lady about a week ago struggle to get the empty cart up on a piece of grass in front of her car so she didn't have to return it to the cart stand literally right next to her.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:11 am to kingbob
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direct correlation between the prices of a store and the rate of abandoned carts
I think that relates to what people will do when no one is watching. At the low-end store, folks believe that either no one is watching or no one cares. At the high-end store they believe they are being watched and everyone cares what they do.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:13 am to Vrai
In California, they got a bead on homeless people stealing the carts by putting an electronic locking mechanism with GPS. The cart locks up as you move away from the location. It doesn't un-lock so you gotta leave the cart where it is.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:22 am to skidry
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:24 am to tigerpawl
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So what do you think? Is The Shopping Cart Theory an efficient gauge of someone's moral character?
I believe so, but I find fault in the original premise: you in fact do have something to gain by returning the cart.
For one, you are cleaning up a place in your community that you frequent and support. A parking lot with numerous shopping carts out of place looks disheveled and unorganized. A cleaned up parking lot reflects more attentive and supportive customers leading to a higher quality community. Value increases, and you gain from that.
Just one example. Altruism doesn't really exist. However, I believe it's a reflection of better morals to take pride in and put forth effort with your community.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:24 am to tigerpawl
Probably cannot blanket all people as having bad moral character, but definitely lazy.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:26 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:trash
frick no I just pop the front two wheels onto the curbing so it doesn’t roll away.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:27 am to tigerpawl
I always return my cart because I really like getting up a little speed, letting go and ramming them against the end of the corral or other carts. Very satisfying.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:35 am to tigerpawl
A woman returning her cart = wife material
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:36 am to Hoops
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Anything that benefits someone else with no direct benefit of their own exposes people. This is a good example, holding doors, giving up a seat in a crowded room/bus/subway, etc.
I thought those were just manners.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:37 am to tigerpawl
I don't return the Brookshire's carts because they got rid of the cart area in the parking lot. I guess they think that people will return it all the way back inside the store, eliminating the labor costs involved with bringing the carts back inside. It's my protest against corporate greed.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:38 am to tigerpawl
I almost always return mine, but sometimes the cart return place is full so I'll prop it up on two wheels on the curb.
The a'holes who leave them between cars kills me everytime
The a'holes who leave them between cars kills me everytime
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:42 am to tigerpawl
I always return mine. And stare down others to shame them if I see them leaving it.
Literally takes 30 seconds and most of American could used the exercise.
Literally takes 30 seconds and most of American could used the exercise.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:44 am to FooManChoo
quote:of course you and i are going to agree on morality but, the theory does stipulate "The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing" and "The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society."
Morality without God is merely personal opinion that is neither better nor worse than any other’s opinion
self governing and being a good member of society are MUCH lower bars than morality.
as for the epistemology of the theory, i'm sure we could think of some gettier counterexamples that would stress the theory. perhaps a stray cart bumps into a car which sets off the car alarm. that draws people to a person who is dying in the car or abducting a child and they are able to save the person's life. or perhaps there would be some deleterious effect if everyone were returning their carts. maybe it wears out the cart corrals more quickly and someone gets hurt.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:46 am to tigerpawl
It's a deeply flawed Theory. I sometimes choose to return the cart and sometimes don't depending on the specific circumstances I'm in at the time. I can tell you this, my wife has a five-year-old and a Rowdy arse 3 year old boy and she hasn't returned her cart the past three to five years. There is way too much chaos going on in and around her vehicle when she has those two Ruffians by herself for her to be concerned with the cart boy having to walk an extra 30 ft to grab a cart.
Everybody does this quick, subconscious quantification value judgment of their actions in their head, on the fly, in the moment and it really reveals nothing about their character and more about the value they place on specific actions given their specific individual circumstances at the time or their understanding or awareness of the action and it's residual effects.
If, given the perfect scenario, an individual by themselves, in a good mood, perfect weather, short walk to cart corral and they still don't or ever return their cart then maybe, possibly, you could determine that that person is a piece of shite.
Everybody does this quick, subconscious quantification value judgment of their actions in their head, on the fly, in the moment and it really reveals nothing about their character and more about the value they place on specific actions given their specific individual circumstances at the time or their understanding or awareness of the action and it's residual effects.
If, given the perfect scenario, an individual by themselves, in a good mood, perfect weather, short walk to cart corral and they still don't or ever return their cart then maybe, possibly, you could determine that that person is a piece of shite.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 9:49 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 9:49 am to nola000
quote:I think the theory is based on if you have the time and means to do it, but just elect not to.
I sometimes choose to return the cart and sometimes don't depending on the specific circumstances I'm in at the time.
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