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re: The 'Shopping Cart Theory' and moral character
Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:59 pm to bfniii
Posted on 6/29/20 at 4:59 pm to bfniii
quote:"[S]elf governing and being a good member of society" are what is in question. Who defines that self governance is a morally good character trait? Who determines what "good" is in terms of being a good member of society? Finally, who is to say that being a "good" member of society is even the correct outcome to determine moral correctness?
of course you and i are going to agree on morality but, the theory does stipulate "The shopping cart is the ultimate litmus test for whether a person is capable of self-governing" and "The Shopping Cart is what determines whether a person is a good or bad member of society."
self governing and being a good member of society are MUCH lower bars than morality.
This is what I'm striving to call attention to: the arbitrary determinations made by people in the world that know instinctively what is right (because they are made in God's image) but have no rational basis to judge what is morally right.
Perhaps I was a little harsh in my condensed statement. I was cutting to the chase and perhaps cut myself off at the knees in the process.
quote:I'm actually not very concerned for the specific applications of the "Shopping Cart Theory". I'm more focused on the reasoning behind its existence and its under-girding presuppositions. It assumes that everyone agrees what "good" is without providing a basis for it.
as for the epistemology of the theory, i'm sure we could think of some gettier counterexamples that would stress the theory. perhaps a stray cart bumps into a car which sets off the car alarm. that draws people to a person who is dying in the car or abducting a child and they are able to save the person's life. or perhaps there would be some deleterious effect if everyone were returning their carts. maybe it wears out the cart corrals more quickly and someone gets hurt.
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 5:26 pm to tigerpawl
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However, this article resonates with me because I always make it a point to return my cart to the cart stand
Damn it! You're the reason they cut my hours! I had a good gig rounding up those carts!
Seriously though, I always put them in the rack, and if one is out of place on my way inside, I'll grab it and use it.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:14 am to StringedInstruments
quote:not exactly. the former follows from the latter - only at god's discretion. a person who genuinely gives their life to christ is only promised to be in god's presence so long as he decrees it. iow, it is not the "final reward." that kind of thinking (be a "good" person, die, go to "heaven") has caused quite a bit of theological problems for christians over the last few decades. the reward is having a relationship with god and being godly because it is the right thing to do. another way to put that is for people to realize what they were created for and return to "home base." now it just so happens that god has promised in the bible that those who have given their lives to christ will be in his presence but even if that weren't the case, nothing changes for the christian. also, "heaven" is not what many people have made it out to be. it is worshiping god in his presence, not the "eternal christmas" tropes most people are familiar with.
It's impossible to separate the promise of everlasting life (in a heavenly paradise) from being a follower of Christ.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 12:32 am to UcobiaA
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saw a Dollar General shopping cart about 200 yards away in another lot behind a Dairy Queen. Got me wondering if there is a serial killer loose.
Used to work at a Winn Dixie near the hood. Poor people who walk take them home with their groceries in them. I used to have to collect them.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 4:18 am to Gusoline
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I return mine, grab others on the way, and belittle people who i see leaving theirs. It's more about my hate of laziness.
I'm a right leaning centrist.
I agree and do the same. Always have.
But I’m a left leaning centrist.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 7:25 am to kingbob
quote:Perhaps the arrow of causation points in the opposite direction.
Lower tier local grocers have slightly fewer abandoned carts where as high-end grocery stores have relatively few abandoned carts. Does this mean that relative affluence is correspondent with values?
In general, people with values tend to be more successful in a high-trust society. Of course YMMV.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 7:29 am to bfniii
quote:Thank you for this.
a person who genuinely gives their life to christ is only promised to be in god's presence so long as he decrees it. iow, it is not the "final reward." that kind of thinking (be a "good" person, die, go to "heaven") has caused quite a bit of theological problems for christians over the last few decades. the reward is having a relationship with god and being godly because it is the right thing to do. another way to put that is for people to realize what they were created for and return to "home base." now it just so happens that god has promised in the bible that those who have given their lives to christ will be in his presence but even if that weren't the case, nothing changes for the christian. also, "heaven" is not what many people have made it out to be. it is worshiping god in his presence, not the "eternal christmas" tropes most people are familiar with.
Probably the most accurate description of my personal theology as it has evolved over the years.
The 'final reward' for living a Christian life is having lived a Christian life.
Posted on 6/30/20 at 8:12 am to tigerpawl
I return them everywhere except the Whole Foods in Baton Rouge. The little cart corrals are IMPOSSIBLE to find, and I am that dumb arse who forgot where I park every freaking time. So I go on information overload, short circuit and try to place it as far out of the way as possible. Especially when I
Luck out and find one of those double decker small buggies. Those are the Maserati of shopping carts
Luck out and find one of those double decker small buggies. Those are the Maserati of shopping carts
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