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re: The reason Trump is trying to destroy public schools....

Posted on 3/22/25 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 12:26 pm to
I'm actually curious does school choice lead to better outcomes anywhere or just run down public school system? I know Oklahoma hasn't improved at all since private schools came in and started getting funding. They've actually had many scandals around the whole thing both public and private school wise.


Where it is successful I wonder what the criteria to fuel that is?

Oklahoma has just been failing at education because they cut taxes when we shoulda been running a surplus with high oil prices and then when things got tight they cut education. They say private schools are the answer but they seem to mostly have resulted in mismanaged money and more scandals to keep the state funds flowing...
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 12:54 pm to
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They say private schools are the answer but they seem to mostly have resulted in mismanaged money and more scandals to keep the state funds flowing...

It really depends on your area. In a city like New Orleans the private schools are not only much better, but they have degrees of much better. The best are Jesuit HS and Isidore Newman (not religious). Then you have some that are less expensive and not quite as elite.
But in a place like suburban Chicago you have public ISDs that are better than private. You can't live in the district unless you're rich and schools like Glenbrook North and South have a very high percentage of kids in the G.T. track. I was walking down the hall one day and saw their graduates photos. One was a major league all star pitcher, one was a gold medal winner in the Olympics and one was a doctor who invented the Cat Scan Machine.
I graduate from New Iberia HS which is a terrible public school. I was saved by being tracked into G.T. classes starting in 8th grade.
Posted by GatorOnAnIsland
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 1:29 pm to
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The boogie man of “tax breaks for the rich” isn’t going to work anymore. The vast majority of Americans realize that is utter BS.


Yep. His tax cut in his first term was labeled a tax cut for the uber-wealthy. But the top 1% before the tax cuts paid 37% of all income taxes. Afterwards they paid 42%.
Posted by JEC119
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 1:33 pm to
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Only the biggest of idiots would buy that nonsense


Unfortunately we have a lot of idiots in this country.
Posted by YMCA
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 1:46 pm to
A post I saw on one of the social media platforms:

The Dept. of Education doesn’t educate a single child in the US, they don’t run a single school and they don’t pay a single teacher salary.

They worry about the department despite its terrible record and not improving anything.

The Handicap Children’s Act isn’t going anywhere as it pre dates the Dept. of Education

Individuals with disabilities act can move to HHS.

Title 1 spending can move to HHS.

Data collection can move to the census bureau.

Student loans can go to small businesses administration or treasury.

Before the creation of Dept. of Edu there was a gap of about 4 years of learning between the lower and higher income level children/families. Today it is still 4 years worth of learning. Creating the department, increasing federal spending, no child left behind and so have not narrowed the gap. Nothing the feds have done has helped.
Posted by ApexTiger
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:01 pm to
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The administration’s crusade against public education is nothing new. Trump and his GOP cronies are attacking public education to divert essential resources from students, teachers, families, and communities to fund tax breaks for the ultra-rich.


Yeah, that's it!
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:16 pm to
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Or this: Apr 24, 2024 — U.S. students ranked 28th out of 37 OECD member countries in math


What are the numbers if we remove the scores of black people? Once we remove them from gun crime stats, we are lower than many countries. It's the same way with education.

The US has a demographic albatross around its neck. Once Europe becomes predominantly muslim, we'll probably creep up the rankings a bit, but our numbers will always be skewed because we have to waste so much money propping up a constantly underperforming subclass.
Posted by BamaScoop
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:21 pm to
A lot of the reason we score so low is we have stupid democratic teachers teaching stupid democratic kids in city rn by stupid democrats. The inner city scores should be dropped to get a true reading of the people that actually make the country work.
This post was edited on 3/22/25 at 4:37 pm
Posted by LSUChamps03
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:22 pm to
I heard it explained this way, simply:

The DOE on a basic level has this pot of money it controls and gives to states. But only if the states do certain things - implement social justice policies, for example, that have nothing to do with reading, writing or math.

So giving the money to states, no strings attached, lets the states decide their own policies and priorities in education. Which of course won’t eliminate woke policies, as some states are woke. But for states that aren’t, they aren’t forced to implement DEI, for example, if they rather spend that money on textbooks or additional classrooms.

It’s similar to RvW - the federal government isn’t “taking away” anything, it’s simply giving jurisdiction to the states, where it belongs.



Posted by Flat Town Tiger
Washington, La.
Member since Oct 2006
573 posts
Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:41 pm to
The federal government was never intended to over public education. State and local jurisdiction are to fund the programs. Special ed. kids are unfortunately caught in the money circle. Being a retired teacher I've seen many a student in special education who really didn't belong there and as soon as they're 18 they opt out because of the perceived stigma.

Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:56 pm to
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What are the numbers if we remove the scores of black people?


Stop with this. I’ve taught for 30 years at a rural public school that is about 50/50 racially. Many of the best students I’ve ever had are black. It’s not race, it’s whether the family values education. I’ve had plenty of white trash redneck kids who couldn’t do basic four operations of math in 7th grade.

It’s an easy stereotype because of the percentage of urban black families (mothers) who don’t value education. It’s not an accurate stereotype outside of that group, though.
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 4:09 pm to
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Or this: Apr 24, 2024 — U.S. students ranked 28th out of 37 OECD member countries in math 100 Billion to rank 27th out of 37

I agree that the DOE has been a waste of money and basically a failure and needs to go, but I wonder what the general parental environment is for all those other countries. Do they have as many children from one parent families and a high percentage of children that speak English as a second language?
Posted by Mr Cell Phone
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 4:23 pm to
I bet you was Mr Excitement on campus carrying a Bible and playing the Flute in the marching band .
Posted by MizzouBS
Missouri
Member since Dec 2014
6780 posts
Posted on 3/22/25 at 8:53 pm to
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Or this: Apr 24, 2024 — U.S. students ranked 28th out of 37 OECD member countries in math 100 Billion to rank 27th out of 37


quote:

Report Highlights. Public education spending in the United States falls short of global benchmarks and lags behind economic growth; K-12 schools spend $857.2 billion total ($17,277 per pupil) annually.



I wonder which states bring down the test scores?

#1 in math Massachusetts #1
Massachusetts spends $24,000 per student
#41 South Carolina $14,900
#42 Maryland $19,800
#43 Arkansas spends $13,300
#44 Louisiana spends $13,800
#45 Mississippi spends $12,400
#46 Alabama spends $14,700
#47 Delaware $18,200
#48 Oklahoma spends $11,300
#49 West Virginia $15,400
#50 New Mexico $14,700

8 of the 10 states with the lowest test scores get the least amount of overall federal money per capita. Mississippi has the lowest with $6,600 per person and Massachusetts is 2nd with $16,700.

There seems to be a correlation with how much federal money a state gets and how much they spend on education.
7 of the top 10 worst math scores also have the worst reading scores

States with college degrees per capita
#50 West Virginia
#49 Mississippi
#48 Arkansas
#47 Louisiana
#46 Kentucky
#45 Nevada
#44 Oklahoma
#43 Alabama
#1 Massachusetts

Top 6 obese states
West Virginia
Mississippi
Arkansas
Louisiana
Alabama
Oklahoma
US News
Federal Aide by state
This post was edited on 3/22/25 at 8:58 pm
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51400 posts
Posted on 3/22/25 at 9:04 pm to
So pueril and ignorant.
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