LSUChamps03

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Hey I watched that movie but didn't remember it coming out like that. Thanks for the info.

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Well if it’s on the internet and AI says so then it’s true.

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So last race goes off at 7:02 on Derby. 6:47 pm on Oaks. So you'll probably do a fair amount of eating at the tracking throughout the day. You can try Wagner's for breakfast but it's going to be packed on those days. - Con Huevos Multiple locations - website - Wild Eggs Multiple locations I was going to suggest House of Marigold out in St. Matthews (off 64) but they looked to be pretty booked up for the times you'd want on those mornings. Bardstown is going to be limited on some evening dining options by the time you get back to Bardstown (about an hour drive WITHOUT traffic). I'd suggest finding places in the city to eat for dinner if possible. Some places will be pretty busy or may have Derby specific events, so you might want to consider possible reservations. Especially if you have a bigger group of folks going. I'd head down to NuLu/Main/Market area of downtown Louisville. - NAMI Korean Steakhouse (and with four or more people you can get a grill table). Website for reservations/menu - La Bodeguita de Mima Cuban Restaurant. Has a Cigar Bar as well if that's your jam. - Mayan Cafe (maybe one of my favorites Downtown) Website for reservations/menu - Most of the big steakhouses look pretty much booked up for Oaks/Derby. Otherwise I'd tell you try Repeal, Le Moo, or Jeff Ruby's. That said, it looks like Jack Fry's down in the Highlands (Bardstown Road) has some later in the evening availability that might suit you depending on what time you leave the track. - If you want a Hot Brown you can do The Brown Hotel but they have Derby specific stuff and will likely be booked up at this point. The Brown Hotel

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Slightly off topic, but this is the best of Tigerdroppings. Someone taking the time to put this response together to help a fellow Dropper is why I hang around and sift through the riff raff to enjoy myself here.

Very nice, BluegrassBelle.

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Now would you say that you are Nguyen-ing?

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Ha. I have a friend last named Nguyen. I told him when he got married that he was now in a Nguyen-Nguyen situation.

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Daxcyn

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Pronounced “dachshund”.

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CB- Rico Payton (Pitt State)

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Um, he’s already played a season for the Saints. Surely there’s not another Rico Payton CB from Pittsburgh St.!

Like I said, there’s no science to it. But hadn’t thought of the NIL angle, which I think may have been true for the past couple drafts and will definitely be a factor going forward. If you outplay your recruiting profile you’re going to likely be re-recruited by and playing for a Power 5. Good point.

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me too! i'm PRAYING i'm wrong about Shough... i'll gladly take the L if i'm wrong about him... GLADLY... I just don't think I will be though... time will tell... bookmark this one if you want and we can revisit it down the road...

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Fair enough, that’s all I’m proposing is that we don’t really know? And I get it, I watch a lot of ball and think I know the good ones from the bad ones, but football scouting is no science.

The Saints have hit on some small-college guys like Evans, Bushrod, Armstead - OL that you could say pushed around lesser talented players. But they became good-great professionals. They’ve missed on them too at valuable picks like Penning, Davenport, exacerbated by giving up valuable future picks to get them.

They’ve also missed on bigger school guys like Jean-Baptiste, Foskey, Sullivan, etc. (too exhausted to look at the list). But I’d submit that the players they’ve drafted have generally been within the range they were projected to go. Without being a whiz on every other teams’ draft histories I’d imagine hit-miss ratio is roughly similar. Surely some stand out as excellent personnel/scouting departments vs the field, but no team is sweeping their draft picks every year.

So yeah, I’ve witnessed the failures in the Saints’ personnel and draft efforts. I don’t blindly trust Loomis to do anything - I think he’s the most comfortable GM in all of sports because he’s a de facto owner under an owner who had two professional sports teams fall into her lap. She has to rely on someone, and Mickey, Dennis and Greg are those she’s picked, unfortunately.

So yeah, let’s take a look at this later. You may be right. I’ve not taken a position other than wait and see. Initially I didn’t like the pick, especially with who was left on the board. But I’m reminded Moore is our coach now, so I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. As Bill Parcells said, if you want your coach to cook you gotta let him buy the groceries.

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you make it seem like it's rocket science.... look, if you watch a ton of football, you become familiar with who's good and who's not.... it ain't that difficult to be able to recognize the guys who make impact plays and who become known commodities... look at the Eagles... they don't go after small school wonders... more often than not, in recent drafts, they've gone after known guys, from major programs, who have a history of production... quote: I hope the guy turns out to be great, we all do, as Saints fans... however... quote: I have no insight to know for sure that the guy’s gonna suck like some of you think you do. sure you do... all you have to do is look at his production in his 6 years in college... what has he done of worth? what has he accomplished? not really that much of anything? now, ask yourself, if he hasn't done all that much in college, a lower level of competition and ability, what makes you think he will be able to all of a sudden produce MORE at a higher level of competition and ability?

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Jesus Christ, there is so much wrong with this!

Are you saying watching a little football tape makes someone qualified to run a football scouting department as well as the guys doing it professionally?! Are you saying you can do it successfully in the NFL because you watch enough football?! That’s what you’re saying!

Holy shite, I’ve seen it all now! Did you look at the Allen example? His profile wasn’t impressive other than physical traits. His production against a low level of competition was not great, his completion percentage was awful, ability to adjust at the LOS and process coverages was below average. But the bastard is an NFL MVP now. You could have predicted that based on your experience watching enough football? You said:

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what has he done of worth? what has he accomplished? not really that much of anything? now, ask yourself, if he hasn't done all that much in college, a lower level of competition and ability, what makes you think he will be able to all of a sudden produce MORE at a higher level of competition and ability?

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Well Allen sure as hell has done it. So I’m guessing your “watched-enough-football” scouting philosophy isn’t foolproof, now is it?

I swear you guys are so damn anxious to be right, even if the Saints fail, just do you can come back and say “I told you so, I could be an NFL GM!”

Well guess what, I can’t f’ing stand Mickey Loomis and his failures. But hell, I sure as hell hope some of you guys are wrong and Shough or whichever players you “know” are horrible picks turn out to win some damn football games for us. Unbelievable.

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It's amazing that people spent all season begging for Mickey to be fired and Gayle to sell the team but now the braintrust is to be blindly followed again.

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Who’s said the brain trust is to be blindly followed? I sure haven’t.

I think the ones who are stating they somehow know as fact that certain picks are terrible or great are comical and overly emotional. And I gave Josh Allen as an example with the posted articles.

And just like I bet none of the Allen haters ever admitted how wrong they were and instead just jumped on the bandwagon when he became great, most of those who make bold “factual” analysis of a player that turns out completely wrong won’t acknowledge it before they buy, FOR EXAMPLE, a Shough jersey.

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Rattler has been average to mediocre everywhere he has been. He was on loaded Oklahoma teams compared to the teams he played in the Big 12 and stunk.

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I mean, he didn’t exactly “stink”. I also wouldn’t put a terrible amount of stock in his performance as a rookie behind a 2nd team OL with a below average WR corps. And in spite of all that and playing on an overall shitty team in flux with an interim HC he did flash potential to make plays. I’m not sold on him, but I also think he has the tools, talent and attitude to develop still. I haven’t given up on him. And I hope the new staff gives him an honest shake to win the job.

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Just say you didn’t watch Rattler in college and leave it at that.

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2020 - Davey O'Brien Award Semifinalist...Named National Freshman of the Year by CBS Sports...Became second OU quarterback to be named an FWAA Freshman All-American (Sam Bradford)...A first-team Associated Press All-Big 12 selection and the organization's co-Big 12 newcomer of the year...Academic All-Big 12 first-team honoree...Started all 11 games. Completed 214-of-317 passes for 3,031 yards and 28 touchdowns with seven interceptions. Rushed for 160 yards and six touchdowns. Passed for at least 200 yards in ten games and for at least two TDs in nine contests. Had 15 touchdown passes and just two interceptions in his final seven games. 92.5 passing grade by PFF ranked third nationally. Led the nation's freshmen in passing touchdowns, passing offense (275.5 ypg.) and total offense (290.1 ypg.)...Among all players who played at least six games, finished eighth in passing TDs, ninth in yards per pass attempt (9.6), tenth in pass efficiency rating (172.6), 14th in completion percentage (67.5), 15th in passing offense and 16th in yards per completion (14.2)...Completed 14-of-23 passes for 247 yards and three touchdowns, and rushed seven times for 40 yards and one score in Cotton Bowl win over No. 10 Florida...Named Big 12 Championship Most Outstanding Player after completing 22-of-34 passes for 272 yards with one touchdown pass and rushing for a nine-yard score in win over No. 8 Iowa State...Accounted for five touchdowns (four passing, one rushing) in victory over No. 14 Oklahoma State. Completed 17-of-24 passes (71 pct.) for 301 yards, four TDs and zero interceptions (good for his second-best passer rating of the season [231.2]) and rushed for a nine-yard score against Oklahoma State. Named Davey O'Brien QB of the Week, Big 12 Offensive Player of the Week and Big 12 Newcomer of the Week...Registered 212 yards on 15-of-27 passing and a TD and rushed for a TD in just over one half vs. Kansas...Completed 21-of-30 passes for 288 yards and two TDs as Sooners mounted six straight scoring drives at Texas Tech...Threw for 332 yards and two touchdowns (including a 61-yarder) on 13-of-22 passing at TCU...Completed 23-of-35 passes for 209 yards and three TDs and rushed for a career-high 51 yards and a score on 14 carries in quadruple-overtime win over No. 22 Texas. 15-of-22 for 135 yards and two TDs after halftime...Completed 25-of-36 passes for 300 yards with two TDs and rushed for 20 yards and a TD at Iowa State...Posted career-high 30 completions, 41 attempts, 387 yards and four TDs vs. Kansas State...Completed 14-of-17 passes for 290 yards and four TDs vs. Missouri State in first career start. Became first Oklahoma freshman to throw four touchdowns in first start...Also set OU freshman records for passing efficiency rating (303.3), yards per completion (23.7) and yards per attempt (17.1) vs. MSU...Passing efficiency rating vs. Missouri State set a Big 12 freshman record and rated as the third-highest in school history regardless of class.

2021 - Appeared in nine games at Oklahoma, starting each of the first six contests. Completed 140-of-187 passes (74.9 pct.) for 1,483 yards with 11 touchdowns and five interceptions. Ranked first in the Big 12 and second nationally in completion percentage and fourth in the Big 12 in passing efficiency rating (155.5)…

2022 - Had school's fourth-highest passing yardage mark vs. Tennessee (438). Had one of the best performances by a signal-caller in school history in the upset win over the fifth-ranked Volunteers. Completed 30-of-37 passes for 438 yards and a school-record six touchdowns with zero picks. The 30 completions, 438 yards and six TDs were all career-highs. Also caught a 15-yard pass, the first of career. Selected as the Walter Camp National Offensive Player of the Week, the CFPA National Performer of the Week and co-SEC Offensive Player of the Week...Led Carolina to another Top-10 win against No. 7 Clemson, finishing 25-of-39 for 360 yards and two TDs, while rushing for another score. Found wide receiver Antwane Wells for a career-long 72-yard TD...Finished the regular season as hot as any quarterback in the country...Engineered victories over both Tennessee and Clemson by completing 55-of-76 passes (72.4 pct.) for 798 yards and eight touchdowns with only two interceptions...Completed 29-of-46 passes for 246 yards and two touchdowns in TaxSlayer Bowl against Notre Dame.

2023 – Selected as a team captain and a co-winner of the Team MVP Award in his final season at South Carolina. Started all 12 games. Completed 275-of-399 passes (68.9 pct.) for 3,186 yards with 19 touchdown passes and eight interceptions. Ranked fifth in the Southeastern Conference and 27th in the NCAA in passing yards with the third-highest single-season total in Gamecocks history...Averaged 265.5 yards passing per game, ranked third in the SEC and 22nd in the nation...Set school single-season record for completions (275) and completion percentage (68.9)...Logged five 300-yard passing games, one shy of the school record...Threw for over 300 yards against North Carolina (353), Furman (345), Florida (313), Jacksonville State (399) and Vanderbilt (351)…The 399-passing yard performance vs. Jacksonville State ranks eighth in school history…Threw two 70+ yard TDs vs. Mississippi State, including a career-long 76-yarder…Tossed a season-high four touchdowns vs. Florida…Rushed for 104 yards and four TDs…Longest rush was a 28-yarder against Mississippi State...Invited to the Senior Bowl where he was voted the best quarterback on the American Team by opposing defenders and capped the week by being selected as game's Most Valuable Player.

Spencer Rattler