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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine
Posted on 4/19/22 at 4:06 pm to TexasForever
Posted on 4/19/22 at 4:06 pm to TexasForever
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TexasForever
you and SoonerK are both lefist loons
it helps that you're exposing all the idiots agreeing with you in this thread
good times
Posted on 4/19/22 at 4:30 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Harry Rex Vonner
Why are you making this a left vs. right thing? This is a United States and NATO against Russia thing. Putin and the Russian federation don't care if you're Republican, Democrat, White, Black, Blue, Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. If you live in the United States and support the United States in any way, you are a threat and target to them. The Russian military is not your friend.
This post was edited on 4/19/22 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 4/19/22 at 4:34 pm to Kansas City King
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The Russian military is not your friend.
While true, the left in this country aren't my friends either.
In fact, the left has more in common with Russia than I do, but you know........
Posted on 4/19/22 at 4:37 pm to Kansas City King
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Why are you making this a left vs. right thing? This is a United States and NATO against Russia thing. Putin and the Russian federation don't care if you're Republican, Democrat, White, Black, Blue, Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. If you live in the United States and support the United States in any way, you are a threat and target to them. The Russian military is not your friend.
you're miles behind and it's not my job to bring you up to speed
but I'll give you a hint: stop repeating mainstream media horse shite
Posted on 4/19/22 at 4:42 pm to JayDeerTay84
the deep state is loving that this Ukraine/Russia Broadway production is dividing conservatives
they absolutely fricking love it
and don't forget about the pathological lying Biden administration being the first to broach the subject of "crisis actors"
since we know the most evil players accuse others of what they are guilty of
have fun siding with this pathological liar Zelensky cucks
they absolutely fricking love it
and don't forget about the pathological lying Biden administration being the first to broach the subject of "crisis actors"
since we know the most evil players accuse others of what they are guilty of
have fun siding with this pathological liar Zelensky cucks
Posted on 4/19/22 at 6:42 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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you and SoonerK are both lefist loons
I've never voted for a liberal candidate, at any level, in my life. frick Russia
Posted on 4/19/22 at 7:15 pm to TexasForever
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I've never voted for a liberal candidate, at any level, in my life. frick Russia
Really, you sound like a leftist Reddit NPC rn lol
Posted on 4/19/22 at 7:20 pm to Kansas City King
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The Russian military is not your friend.
Countries don't have friends. They have interests. I worked with numerous militaries around the world to include Ukraine, Russia and NATO countries. At no point would it have been wise to consider any of them my or my countries friend.
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:58 pm to OleWar
This is an interesting article discussing the shift to nato based weapon systems that Ukraine is starting to undertake. It points out the irony of the situation where Russia, in attempting to keep Ukraine from joining NATO, is going to end up pushing it into NATO.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/craighooper/2022/04/18/ukraines-shift-to-a-new-nato-arsenal-is-unprecedented-and-inevitable/?sh=6862f4b174bc
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Ukraine has few options. At some point, the West will have no more Russian-sourced weaponry to offer. As the war continues, Ukraine must adopt Western weapon systems, making the transfer in midst a pitched and desperate fight.
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The present challenge is for donor states to maximize the time available before Ukraine’s older systems deteriorate, run out of ammunition, or consume some other key consumable. Take artillery—something that Ukraine has employed to good effect on the battlefield. Right now, Ukraine is largely dependent on Russian-derived howitzers and Russian-sized 152mm or 122mm ammunition. If more ammunition is unavailable, once existing ammunition stockpiles run out, Ukraine’s artillery—and all the support networks Ukraine has developed to keep those guns in the fight—will be useless.
To keep fighting, Ukraine’s artillery forces must move to Western-standard 155mm guns and adopt the West’s sophisticated artillery targeting systems. That’s not something that can be done overnight.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/craighooper/2022/04/18/ukraines-shift-to-a-new-nato-arsenal-is-unprecedented-and-inevitable/?sh=6862f4b174bc
Posted on 4/20/22 at 4:02 am to Chromdome35
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It points out the irony of the situation where Russia, in attempting to keep Ukraine from joining NATO, is going to end up pushing it into NATO.
Yeah I mean Putin IMO has a much weaker hand now than before he invaded. 2 months ago we thought that he might get bogged down like this if he tried invading Poland and the US and UK intervened or something, but nobody thought he couldn't capture Kiev in over a month with no direct help of Ukraine from the west.
Russias military has been exposed. Aside from their nuclear arsenal they are the USFL to the US and Israel's NFL. And maybe Putins best way to save face is to retain his power and grouse about Ukraine entering NATO while Russia keeps those two small "liberated" regions and tries to declare "victory".
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 4:06 am
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:05 am to SirWinston
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Yeah I mean Putin IMO has a much weaker hand now than before he invaded. 2 months ago we thought that he might get bogged down like this if he tried invading Poland and the US and UK intervened or something, but nobody thought he couldn't capture Kiev in over a month with no direct help of Ukraine from the west.
The negatives for capturing and holding Kiev far out weighed the pros and he either realized this or it was part of a diversion scheme. It’s called adjustments
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:46 am to SirWinston
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but nobody thought he couldn't capture Kiev in over a month with no direct help of Ukraine from the west.
The west has been directly helping though
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:51 am to Palmetto98
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The negatives for capturing and holding Kiev far out weighed the pros and he either realized this or it was part of a diversion scheme. It’s called adjustments
Diversion scheme? Now that is some grade A spin on how terrible Russia's military has performed in this war.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 7:52 am to HailToTheChiz
Brandon treating Zelensky like his favorite stripper atm
Posted on 4/20/22 at 8:07 am to SoonerK
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Diversion scheme? Now that is some grade A spin on how terrible Russia's military has performed in this war.
Scott Ritter has been saying for two months that with 200k troops, they don't have the manpower for urban combat in Kiev and have to pin forces away with feints in order to eventually concentrate on Donbas. He had a good twitter thread on this. Call him a Russia apologist or pedo, I don't care. A handful of other intel and military analysts have been saying the same things on places like Grayzone. We'll see who is right in about a month.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 8:20 am to Bunk Moreland
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Diversion scheme? Now that is some grade A spin on how terrible Russia's military has performed in this war.
Scott Ritter has been saying for two months that with 200k troops, they don't have the manpower for urban combat in Kiev and have to pin forces away with feints in order to eventually concentrate on Donbas. He had a good twitter thread on this. Call him a Russia apologist or pedo, I don't care. A handful of other intel and military analysts have been saying the same things on places like Grayzone. We'll see who is right in about a month.
The Russian attack on Kiev wasn't a diversion, it wasn't a feint. The Russians got stopped dead in their tracks and had to completely withdraw from the North. The East is the only place left that they can make any advances.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 8:25 am to Bunk Moreland
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Scott Ritter has been saying for two months that with 200k troops, they don't have the manpower for urban combat in Kiev and have to pin forces away with feints in order to eventually concentrate on Donbas. He had a good twitter thread on this. Call him a Russia apologist or pedo, I don't care. A handful of other intel and military analysts have been saying the same things on places like Grayzone. We'll see who is right in about a month.
Do people actually believe the two pincers trying to encircle Kyiv (and subsequent complete retreat) was just a feint? If the plan was to pin down forces, why the complete withdrawal?
Posted on 4/20/22 at 8:39 am to Bunk Moreland
This makes absolutely no sense militarily.
The Russians initially attacked across a huge front, they sent their top airborne units to capture an airbase on the outskirts of Kyiv and tried to do several thunder runs into Kyiv. But it was a diversion?
If it was a diversion, what was it's point? It's not like they made any real gains ANYWHERE after the 1st few days of the war. The diversion didn't allow their attacks to be successful anywhere else. Now they are taking what's left of the troops from the diversion and relocating them to attack elsewhere but the new attack is dependent on them having the troops from the diversion.
This diversion narrative you Putin bots are clinging to is just stupid, it makes you look dumber than a rock. Everyone sees it for what it is, an excuse for how shitty Russia's military is.
The Russians initially attacked across a huge front, they sent their top airborne units to capture an airbase on the outskirts of Kyiv and tried to do several thunder runs into Kyiv. But it was a diversion?
If it was a diversion, what was it's point? It's not like they made any real gains ANYWHERE after the 1st few days of the war. The diversion didn't allow their attacks to be successful anywhere else. Now they are taking what's left of the troops from the diversion and relocating them to attack elsewhere but the new attack is dependent on them having the troops from the diversion.
This diversion narrative you Putin bots are clinging to is just stupid, it makes you look dumber than a rock. Everyone sees it for what it is, an excuse for how shitty Russia's military is.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 8:41 am
Posted on 4/20/22 at 8:56 am to OleWar
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At no point would it have been wise to consider any of them my or my countries friend.
Hell I don't even consider my own countries military my friend. What kind of damned fool considers another countries one?
Posted on 4/20/22 at 9:12 am to Chromdome35
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This makes absolutely no sense militarily. The Russians initially attacked across a huge front, they sent their top airborne units to capture an airbase on the outskirts of Kyiv and tried to do several thunder runs into Kyiv. But it was a diversion? If it was a diversion, what was it's point? It's not like they made any real gains ANYWHERE after the 1st few days of the war. The diversion didn't allow their attacks to be successful anywhere else. Now they are taking what's left of the troops from the diversion and relocating them to attack elsewhere but the new attack is dependent on them having the troops from the diversion. This diversion narrative you Putin bots are clinging to is just stupid, it makes you look dumber than a rock. Everyone sees it for what it is, an excuse for how shitty Russia's military is.
I look at it from three facts, I don’t care what RT or CNN fvcking says.
1). Russia never provided enough manpower & resources to capture and retain Kiev
2). If Russia wanted to, they could blow Kiev in to the next Stone Age with their missiles and Air Force…why didn’t they do capturing Kiev is so important to them?
3). Capturing Kiev would’ve resulted in more casualties and loss of resources for Ukraine to just move its government to Lviv(almost 400 miles away from Kiev) and potentially rally NATO closer to them because the Front would now be on EU borders. In addition, Russia would be in even more hostile territory than where it is now. Keeping the war East makes the most logical sense, this isn’t Putin cock sucking, this is common sense.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 9:16 am
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