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re: The Official Thread: Russia invades Ukraine

Posted on 4/18/22 at 10:49 pm to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 10:49 pm to
It’s a thing. The Russians choose to venerate the Soviet Victory in WW2.

The Soviets used Russian nationalism to sell the war effort, so there’s a linkage, and for ordinary people, they’re not thinking about slogans, like workers of the world unite, they’re thinking about their grandfather, or their great grandfather, who fought in the war, and the subsequent victory.

WW2 went on to become the foundational myth of the Soviet Union, and the war, and the victory over the Germans, still resonates with ordinary people, even if Communism and the Soviet Union doesn’t. It’s the good war, the way WW2 is for Americans.



Here’s a photo of Russian soldiers flying the Imperial Flag.
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 10:51 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/18/22 at 11:53 pm to
This is my favorite map for tracking the war. Shows generally where individual units are deployed on both sides. For me, it makes it easier to understand what's happening.

your mileage may vary

Available on twitter at https://twitter.com/JominiW
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 5:25 am to
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It’s a thing. The Russians choose to venerate the Soviet Victory in WW2.


Idk why he’s surprised, Americans obsess over the Confederates in the Civil War worst than a skid row coke addict.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 7:24 am to
I’m proud of my Confederate ancestors.
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 7:53 am to
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I’m proud of my Confederate ancestors.


Why, them winning the war would’ve changed us history
Posted by QboveTopSecret
America
Member since Feb 2018
3497 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 8:39 am to


Speaking to West Point cadets and faculty, Dr. Phillip Karber describes what he has learned about the Russian way of war from thirty trips he has made to Ukraine, including six months on the front lines of the war in the country's east.

YT

Commentary with slides.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20903 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 9:05 am to
Okay down voters, tell us why this source isn't valid?


The YouTube guy yall said showed what appeared to be staged bodies. Though he has interviewed several dozens of Ukrainian citizens who say it is Ukrainian troops doing most of the war crimes.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
69127 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 9:11 am to
Are you talking about Lancaster? My understanding is most of his videos show people complaining about the Ukes more than the Russians in Donbas. But, maybe he goes out looking for that, I don't know. I don't really trust any reporting right now.

Crazy arse Gonzalo Lira, who has been calling Zelensky the Cokehead of Kiev and the SBUs as thugs in his videos and podcasts from Kharkiv, has been missing for a few days. I think they got him.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
50542 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 9:15 am to
but wait man, Sean Hannity and the military industrial complex have deputized the greatest American who has ever lived! Sean Penn!


"You were there in November of 2021"






November 2021! Sean's been there the whole time!
Posted by TideHater
Orange Beach AL
Member since May 2007
19891 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:06 am to
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Got a source for that claim. I watch lots of videos from there and I haven't seen any Nazi flags flying in the city yet.



The Ukraine Azov battalion openly have it on their uniforms. the WolfAngel emblem, the Nazi black sun, etc...Wikipedia the Azov Battalion and they have swastika flags on their tanks.
Posted by Sooner5030
Desert Southwest
Member since Sep 2014
1740 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:45 am to
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The Ukraine Azov battalion openly have it on their uniforms. the WolfAngel emblem, the Nazi black sun, etc...Wikipedia the Azov Battalion and they have swastika flags on their tanks.


What is it about them being "nazis" that bothers you? Are they blitzkrieging through europe and exterminating millions of jews? If not let me know when they have that capability and I might give a shite.

Right now Im guessing youre upset that they are nationalists and have pics with nazi type flags and shite.

that's not a big deal to be honest.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:50 am to
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Crazy arse Gonzalo Lira, who has been calling Zelensky the Cokehead of Kiev and the SBUs as thugs in his videos and podcasts from Kharkiv, has been missing for a few days. I think they got him.



Here is some background on Lira. He is American writer and director and has lived for some years in Kharkov. If Azov got a hold of him, he is more than likely dead. If SBU, tortured but maybe alive, maybe not.

LINK

Here is a Youtube in which he accused a Daily Beast writer of trying to get him killed by drawing attention of SBU to him.

LINK
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:52 am to
I assume he’s dead
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22596 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:56 am to
What a clown…. No one deserves to die, but to sit in Karhkiv and spew a bunch of Russian propaganda and not expect consequences is beyond stupid.
Posted by Harry Rex Vonner
Foggy Bottom Law School
Member since Nov 2013
50542 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:59 am to
they've been massacring people in Donbas for 8 years dumbass
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22596 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:04 am to
Russia has more nationalists running around the fringes of its military with nazi symbols and tats…
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20903 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:24 am to
Yes Lancaster, he has interviewed citizens in two or three different towns that all have similar stories.

A lot is people just walking up to him as he is walking around.

I agree with you on not trusting any reporting right now but his interviews with citizens I give more credence to than other.
Posted by TexasForever
Member since Jul 2021
2949 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:35 am to
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Okay down voters, tell us why this source isn't valid?


The YouTube guy yall said showed what appeared to be staged bodies. Though he has interviewed several dozens of Ukrainian citizens who say it is Ukrainian troops doing most of the war crimes.


He's a clown. He claims to be independent but absolutely works with the Russians. He has posted videos from years ago and pretends they're recent. In February he posted of a video of a "Ukrainian IED attack on civilians" which was completely staged...all from the morgue. I'll add a few more ridiculous things he has done here in a little bit. I don't have time at the moment

Posted by Sooner5030
Desert Southwest
Member since Sep 2014
1740 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:37 am to
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they've been massacring people in Donbas for 8 years dumbass


why only 8 years?

what caused this I wonder.

jackass
Posted by Palmetto98
Where the stars are big and bright
Member since Nov 2021
2145 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:41 am to
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Here is some background on Lira. He is American writer and director and has lived for some years in Kharkov. If Azov got a hold of him, he is more than likely dead. If SBU, tortured but maybe alive, maybe not.


He’s Coach Red Pill lol
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