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re: The mistake was: We simply trusted them

Posted on 8/16/21 at 10:34 am to
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 10:34 am to
The real mistake was not enough of the "conservatives" in this country did a damn thing to stop the steal. What did most of you do after the election? Bitch on social media?

I said I would be in DC on 1/6 and I was.
Posted by Scream4LSU
Member since Sep 2007
1192 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 10:36 am to
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Trump wanted to withdraw as well...


He did and obviously you haven't read or listened to the criteria of that withdrawal. It surely wasn't to flip a switch and withdraw everyone in the dark of the night. He understood that the Afghan gov was corrupt and that it would more than likely require a draw down and would eventually flip over to the Taliban anyway but was going to do whatever he could to create a bloodless transition. Now the blood bath will ensue. All fighting age men will be murdered or tortured, women raped and revenge delivered. There will be a huge refugee flight to neighboring countries. Biden is currently looking for cities in America that will take them so they can start a new Afghanistan in the states like the Somolis did. More voting base and tax credits to some cities. More Ilhan Omars will emerge and join the squad and continue to push the very principals that they fled from.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 10:56 am
Posted by AURaptor
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Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 10:43 am to

Do we really need to answer that question? At most, we may have done some surveying to see what can be found. But as for actual mining & drilling operations, I doubt there was ever a stable enough time period for that to take place.

Just me tossing out some ideas. Not saying I have any inside information.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:07 am to
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Do we really need to answer that question? At most, we may have done some surveying to see what can be found. But as for actual mining & drilling operations, I doubt there was ever a stable enough time period for that to take place.


Well... it's like if that was a reason we went... then it was another failure
Posted by sugar71
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Member since Jun 2012
9967 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:18 am to
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We trained them, we gave them our weaponry, and we thought that after a generation, we could (and should) leave, and they would at least be able to hold the line for a few months.

I was certain they couldn't control the most remote regions/ outposts , but I thought they'd at least attempt to defend their major cities.
Posted by AURaptor
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Member since Aug 2018
11958 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:38 am to
Bigly.

I always wondered why the state department and Department of Defense we’re so stubborn & adamant about sticking around and rebuilding a nation. Sure, strategically there is some importance to having an ally. But it makes far more sense to risk so much wealth and the lives of our own troops to secure the country so that it will benefit us financially for decades to come. That only makes sense if there is oil and or mineral rights involved.
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
1992 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:47 am to
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You can't plan for every contingency.

Perhaps we were overconfident.


A blind person could see this coming. Hell go read the article from the embedded cbs guy Richard Engel (sp). He and other reporters saw this coming 3 freaking months ago. If these guys see the writing on the wall how in the hell do our intel and state guys not?! Of course our guys knew how bad it was and what a sham things were becoming. Problem is sheer incompetence by the higher ups. Now a lot of people have died, and will die, because our leaders shouldn’t be allowed to run a self served car wash.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:50 am to
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here was a plan. The plan depended on the Afghans doing... something. Anything.


The likely training assumed perpetual US involvement. If it relied at all on excessive air support, they were always going to fall.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:51 am to
To those native to the region, anything but a hard NO = Yes.
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
26167 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:59 am to
I didn't think an army could run as fast as the Italian army in ww2, but the Afghan army wins the gold.
Posted by Marye
Member since Oct 2020
547 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:13 pm to
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Biden was warned, but the arrogant, hard headed old man knew better.


"old habits die hard" After almost 50 years of his
political gamesmanship Biden will not change....
always was a phoney.
Posted by alphaandomega
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Member since Aug 2012
16729 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:26 pm to
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At most, we may have done some surveying to see what can be found. But as for actual mining & drilling operations, I doubt there was ever a stable enough time period for that to take place.


The Chinese will appreciate the surveys. They will tell the Taliban we will give you X amount of arms and ammunition and the price for it is that you leave this area. And anyone who remains they will kill.

They will not be trying to convert people to democracy or win their hearts and minds. They will establish a perimeter around the areas they want to mine and kill anyone found there.

And nobody will say anything. The UN will remain silent. The media will never report on it.

Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
26349 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:26 pm to
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Trump wanted to withdraw as well...



He did...but with a notion that if the Taliban frick up whatsoever that the US would go back in there with a vengeance they have never seen.

I don't think Biden is quite following in those footsteps.
Posted by Blitzed
Member since Oct 2009
22011 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:28 pm to
Just 15 days to stop the spread.

Remember.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:29 pm to
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Did we get any access / benefit from those resources over the last 20 years?


Well, the cia dominated the opium trade
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28468 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:32 pm to
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I don't think our political/leaders had any concept that the Afghan military and politicians, including their damn president, would just immediately say "here you go!" and run from the Taliban.


Anyone who thought that the Afghan Army and the Taliban weren't essentially the same people, the same families, the same clans, is a complete moron.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
40281 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:33 pm to
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He did...but with a notion that if the Taliban frick up whatsoever that the US would go back in there with a vengeance they have never seen.



Fair

But have the Taliban screwed anything up?

We all knew when we left the Taliban was going to try to take over.

Would Trump have known the Afghan army and politicians would be this big of sissies?
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
47280 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:33 pm to
the real problem is we stayed there for 20 years. we should have blew some shite up, did a few targeted assassinations, and got bin laden. After that we should have loudly proclaimed that if you ever do some shite like that again we will level this motherfricker. everything else done was just to enrich the political class and their connections.

hopefully politicians dont have the gall to start another nation building project in my lifetime... but i doubt we make it another 5-10 years without having to save someone else.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted by crimsonuatide
Member since Jul 2017
2120 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:34 pm to
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There was a plan. The plan depended on the Afghans doing... something. Anything. They did nothing, and we were caught unprepared for that


All BS! We've dealt with them for twenty years. You don't turn your back on that kind of investment. No weapons, no technology should have been left behind. The old saying "If you want something done right, do it yourself" holds very true here. The Afghans should have been trusted with nothing.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:35 pm to
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Trump wanted to withdraw as well...


Two people want to back out of their respective driveways.

One looks both ways and backs out safely and goes about his day. The second never looks, backs over a mom with a stroller, and then into oncoming traffic.

Both wanted to back out of their driveways...
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