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re: The mistake was: We simply trusted them
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 8/16/21 at 12:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
if only it was him overseeing it
u got what u wanted biznatch
u got what u wanted biznatch
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:27 pm to LSUFanHouston
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There was a plan. The plan depended on the Afghans doing... something. Anything. They did nothing, and we were caught unprepared for that
IMO, this idea of depending on the Afghans for anything is naive at best and definitely does not in any way resemble the way the Trump admin had planned to do it. There was lots of warning, lots of advisors, many experts, many allies, etc., etc. telling the Biden admin not to leave Afghanistan this way.
Simply put, the Biden administration's hubris, arrogance & incompetence is on display. Biden is surrounded by people who persuaded him to make history by being the genius POTUS who successfully exited Afghanistan. The whole bunch just proved how incredibly unqualified, unprepared and untalented they all are.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:36 pm to crimsonuatide
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You don't turn your back on that kind of investment. No weapons, no technology should have been left behind. The old saying "If you want something done right, do it yourself" holds very true here. The Afghans should have been trusted with nothing.
So what's the alternative, stay there forever?
Unless it was to become a permanent US territory, that's not a good idea.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:46 pm to LSUFanHouston
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We trained them, we gave them our weaponry, and we thought that after a generation, we could (and should) leave, and they would at least be able to hold the line for a few months.
Enough time to get out everyone who wanted / needed to get out.
In the back of minds, maybe we thought eventually the Taliban would win out... but the Afghan military / government would at least put up a fight.
I don't think our political/leaders had any concept that the Afghan military and politicians, including their damn president, would just immediately say "here you go!" and run from the Taliban.
There was a plan. The plan depended on the Afghans doing... something. Anything. They did nothing, and we were caught unprepared for that.
And here we are
It's pretty amazing to see people trying to protect the politicians and place blame on the Afghans.
Keep defending.
There isn't much more I hate than leftists that pretend they aren't leftists.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:48 pm to LSUFanHouston
The mistake was our foreign policy. We are not the world's police nor should we have ever been a superpower. After WW2, we should have turned inward. Instead, we fought a Cold War against communism that resulted in a steady growth of government here to the point that we're not much different from the Soviets we used to despise.
This post was edited on 8/16/21 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
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In the current moment, yes...
It was always going to end with the taliban taking Kabul. Maybe not in this fashion, but this was the end.
We were never going to “win” anything because there wasn’t anything to be won in Afghanistan.
Only things to lose.
Don’t worry, the cia will likely remain to make sure the poppy trade thrives and doesn’t bankrupt the taliban.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 1:51 pm to Whichwayisup
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He didn't make this call, he's a senile old man
I suspect the tactical genius of Suzan Rice, Milley and Austin. They just couldn't sell the Afghan Army enough CRT and rainbow pride!
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:37 pm to moneyg
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It's pretty amazing to see people trying to protect the politicians and place blame on the Afghans.
If the Afghans had given it a good fight and were simply outmanned and overpowered... then I would not blame them.
We trained them, we outfit them, hell, many of our brothers and sisters died for them.
And when we finally ask them to take care of themselves, they run in the opposite direction, while handing over all of our hardware to the Taliban.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:38 pm to LSUFanHouston
Seems the mistake for many of the Afghans who fought with us, was that they trusted us.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
The ultimate mistake is the US governments foreign policy. We never should have been there to begin with.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 2:42 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Fair
But have the Taliban screwed anything up?
We all knew when we left the Taliban was going to try to take over.
Would Trump have known the Afghan army and politicians would be this big of sissies?
Option A: we are calling a truce and don't frick this up or we will come back and eradicate your kind. Now everyone has rules to follow.
Option B: they take it by force and think they are unstoppable now. Now there are no rules.
Which one would you choose? Both involved exiting Afghanistan
Posted on 8/16/21 at 5:17 pm to LSUFanHouston
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If the Afghans had given it a good fight and were simply outmanned and overpowered... then I would not blame them.
We trained them, we outfit them, hell, many of our brothers and sisters died for them.
And when we finally ask them to take care of themselves, they run in the opposite direction, while handing over all of our hardware to the Taliban.
FFS, it's the role of the government to assess that reality and act accordingly BEFORE 20 years has passed.
It's the fricking role of the government to recognize it at the end and not leave the country in the worst absolute way that one could.
frick you, you liberal piece of trash.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 6:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
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So what's the alternative, stay there forever?
That's not what I'm saying at all. Don't trust Afghans to hold off Taliban during the evacuation. Don't leave weapons and technology behind for our enemies to use against us later.
I absolutely agree with getting out of Afghanistan, just not this way and there is no excuse.
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