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re: The Iran war is also part of the War on Drugs

Posted on 10/2/26 at 5:43 am to
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 5:43 am to
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disastrous “war”?


What do we care if it’s disastrous for Iran? It certainly is not for the US especially our long-term interests.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 7:19 am to
Disastrous war ? Which part , the 50 year war against Americans or the 7 months against Iran ?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
21339 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 7:23 am to
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As long as they don't put pineapple on a pizza. That would be too much.


Very popular in Trinidad and quite good.....

quote:

Mario's Pizza features the Hawaiian Craze specialty pizza topped with ham and pineapple, available starting at TT$39.00


Now cow heel soup and oxtail soup, I never much liked but quite popular as well.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 7:26 am to
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You see any deals in place? How many millions and lives lost? For what? You realize they don’t have a missile capable to reach the U.S. right?


Did Germany??????
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 7:32 am to
Unwinnable goal without boots on ground.

Looking to make deals with current regime.




Also hypocrites..

This post was edited on 10/2/26 at 7:33 am
Posted by RemyLeBeau
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 7:43 am to
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the 50 year war against Americans


If that's the case, America has been at war with Iranians for 73 years
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 7:45 am to
They will not ever understand the picture because they focus only on the colors.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 7:51 am to
How 73 years ?
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 7:52 am to
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How exactly is it disastrous? Never heard the term disastrous used to describe totally annihilating the opponent and achieving your goals.



lmfaoo when did this happen?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
70973 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 7:53 am to
We ran a coup in 1953. This saga didn't magically start in 1979.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
20760 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:01 am to
Playing a part in a coup does not equate to an open acknowledgment of a war, as Iran has stated many times over the decades. Even by your definition that war would have ended with the Shah regime in place. Iran was such a friend to America that they were given their own money printing machine.
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:06 am to
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Mostly because they've been given a goal the military can't win because we're trying to use the military to achieve political goals.


What goals haven’t been met?

They are about to collapse economically.
Oil is moving at the same pace it was before.
They have no nuclear capability.
Europe cannot use them as a proxy anymore.

What am I missing?
Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
8066 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:13 am to
If there's one we learned during the Cold War, it was never to co-locate your illegal drug operations with your nuclear stockpiles.

Otherwise, they can drop a bomb down your air chutes.

Posted by Timeoday
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:35 am to
Erick Erickson gave the President some credit in his newsletter today:

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Iran’s strategy in this war was never complicated. The mullahs believed that if they choked the Strait of Hormuz long enough, Americans would feel it at the gas pump and Washington would lose its nerve before the midterms. Brent crude spiked past $107 a barrel this month, and Iranian-aligned militias sent drones into Saudi Arabia’s East-West pipeline and shut it down for more than a week. Tehran was betting that pain at the pump would break us before its own economy broke.

That bet has failed, and President Trump deserves immense credit for it.

Crude exports from the Persian Gulf are back at pre-war levels. J.P. Morgan puts the 10-day average at 17.5 million barrels a day, which is 98 percent of where it stood before the war. Goldman Sachs estimates the region exported 19 million barrels a day over the past week. Brent has come off its highs to about $103, and West Texas crude is trading around $90.

The Gulf producers did it by building 3 exits where there used to be 1. Before the war, 83 percent of Gulf crude had to cross the Strait of Hormuz. In September, about 60 percent crossed the strait, 23 percent loaded on the Gulf of Oman coast, and 17 percent left through the Red Sea. Much of that Red Sea oil moved through the same Saudi pipeline Iran’s allies tried to destroy. Iran thought it held a chokehold on the world economy, and the Gulf simply routed around it.

Iran is now the one country in the region whose oil is not moving. Before the war, it exported roughly 1.7 million barrels a day. In September, satellite data showed no Iranian crude leaving by sea at all. That is the work of the American naval blockade reimposed in July.

Last week at the United Nations, Iran offered to reopen the strait within 7 days. Its price was the release of frozen funds, an end to sanctions, and an end to the blockade. The President said no. A regime that was winning would not be begging for its money back in front of the General Assembly. A government that cannot sell its oil cannot pay those who preserve its power.

The Obama administration sent pallets of cash to Tehran. The Biden administration looked the other way while Iranian oil flowed to China. This administration has paired American naval power with the reach of the American banking system. It has blockaded Iranian ports while making it dangerous for any bank anywhere to move money for the Revolutionary Guard.

Something more remarkable is happening alongside the oil. Our Arab allies are cooperating with Israel in ways they never have before. The Abraham Accords proved in President Trump’s first term that Arab governments could work openly with the Jewish state, and this war has turned that diplomatic normalization into practical cooperation. Iran has fired on Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Qatar, and Bahrain. Those governments now understand that the threat to their people comes from Tehran, not Jerusalem.

Inside Iran, the regime is losing its grip. Outbreaks of violence suggest a destabilization campaign that the security services cannot contain. This regime has waged a 47-year war on Americans, plotted to shoot down Air Force One, and gunned down its own people in the streets in January. Is enforcers are now the ones who are afraid.

None of this means the war is won. I was hard on the administration this summer when it called off strikes on the promise that Iran wanted peace. Iran did not want peace then, and it does not want peace now. It wants a bomb. The Houthis are stepping up attacks in the Red Sea, and exports of diesel, gasoline, and jet fuel from the region are still running below last year’s pace. The pressure has to continue, and this White House should resist the voices internally who think a regime that chants “Death to America” can be bargained with.

Notwithstanding all of that, the situation has changed. Our allies are working together, Gulf oil is flowing at pre-war levels, and Iran is broke, isolated, and asking for relief in front of the world. That happened because the President was willing to use every tool of American power at once and refused to accept that the Strait of Hormuz belonged to Tehran.

A month ago, Iran thought it could hold the world hostage at the gas pump. Today the Gulf’s oil is moving and Iran’s is not. President Trump deserves the credit for that.


The TRUTH Will Set YOu FREE!

Posted by lsu777
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 9:46 am to
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Is this how ppl are justifying this disastrous “war”? Really. Ok


how the frick is it disasterous?

Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
40969 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 9:50 am to
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What goals haven’t been met?

They are about to collapse economically.
Oil is moving at the same pace it was before.
They have no nuclear capability.
Europe cannot use them as a proxy anymore.

What am I missing?


The same ones you missed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Boots on the ground for almost 20 years, trillions of dollars spent, just to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

I'm unaware of a single military battle we lost. But when it comes to changing the hearts and minds of the people for actual change, it was a miserable failure.

Because the military can't do that. In fact, there is ample evidence to show that the military undermines those efforts completely.

And when it comes to their economy, those will be seen as a result of the US, not their own leadership. All the death and suffering that results will just cause more hate towards the US.

Great if you are bankers, the MIC and other war profiteers, but shitty for everyone else.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
13797 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 9:51 am to
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totally annihilating the opponent and achieving your goals.

We haven't done either
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 10/2/26 at 10:11 am to
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This excuse is most neoconnish shite imaginable, like channeling Dick Cheney.


That made me laugh. Good one.



Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
40969 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 10:12 am to
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Erick Erickson gave the President some credit in his newsletter today:



Why in the world would I remotely give a frick about some random persons opinion?

I'm not even remotely going to read that. It's absolutely meaningless.
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Member since Jul 2021
3987 posts
Posted on 10/2/26 at 10:13 am to
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This is actually a good example of his cognitive decline. He is spouting complete nonsense and probably confusing Iran with Venezuela. But, because he is saying it forcefully and not drooling on himself, it's more difficult to identify as dementia.


I have no doubt that the IRGC probably uses drug trafficking as a revenue stream. It comes with the territory in that part of the world.

But why are we just now hearing the President talk about it? That has never been on the list of grievances before now.
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