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re: The conversation no-one wants to have, "the people are the problem"

Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:36 am to
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:36 am to
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Yeah, true conservatives are not about any of that. What you list is more oppressive than anything else.



OK but these "true conservatives" you speak of keep voting for state governments that implement policies such as these. See Texas, for example.

Talk all you want about "true conservatism," but this is what the GOP gives you now, and actions speak louder than words.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35683 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:37 am to
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the system is rigged against the GOP. If anything, it is rigged in favor of the GOP

The system itself is not rigged for or against either party. It predates both of them. It may favor the GOP through the electoral college and equal senate representation, but the Democrats benefit in the House via racial gerrymandering in the South.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 11:38 am
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:39 am to
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The system itself is neither rigged for or against either party. It predates both of them. It may favor the GOP through the electoral college and equal senate representation, but the Democrats benefit in the House via racial gerrymandering in the South.



It wasn't designed that way, but there is no denying that Republicans disproportionately benefit from the structure of elections for president and senate.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35683 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:44 am to
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It wasn't designed that way, but there is no denying that Republicans disproportionately benefit from the structure of elections for president and senate.

I'm not denying that the GOP currently benefits from it--but that doesn't make it rigged. There is also no denying that Democrats benefit similarly in the House due to the South having to follow rules that other states do not and create geographical abominations in order to give Democrats seats.

I posted this a couple of times, but its pages back now and its germane to your point. Democrats often screech about being underrepresented in the WH and Senate relative to their vote share, but the GOP received more House votes in 2022, 2016, 2014, 2010, and every election from 1998-2004 (sometimes by several million votes), and the House makeup almost never reflects those relative vote shares.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 11:47 am
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34324 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:48 am to
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There is also no denying that Democrats benefit similarly in the House due to the South having to follow rules that other states do not and create geographical abominations in order to give Democrats seats.


Well, first of all, those rules are functionally dead (you can look it up -- they got neutered several years back, if I recall).

Second, the first thing the southern states did when that happened was to start drawing unconstitutional districts that diluted the black vote, and these efforts were so egregious that the CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT told them to knock it off.

This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 11:49 am
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35683 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:52 am to
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Well, first of all, those rules are functionally dead (you can look it up -- they got neutered several years back, if I recall).

Louisiana's current House map disputes that entirely. The Southern states are still forced to maintain "minority majority" district(s).

Both blue districts are geographically ridiculous and run counter to the notion of representative government. It is similar elsewhere, where legislatures are forced to draw absurd lines to lump black people together.

We don't have a proportional representation system. If Democrats are too spread out to have a majority in geographically coherent districts, that is just too bad. Or at least it should be. Same thing for the other side too.
This post was edited on 8/9/24 at 11:57 am
Posted by JAGuyHeh
Member since Aug 2021
189 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:52 am to
So only white men who own property should vote? Maybe there was some virtue to the idea...
Posted by Aggie1965
Member since Apr 2021
264 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:54 am to
“No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.” H. L. Menkin years ago. The more things change the more they stay the same.
Posted by subotic
Member since Dec 2012
2759 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:55 am to
99% of people on both sides don't realize (or truly believe) that our government, and also the vast majority of governments worldwide, are used as camouflage and enforcement mechanisms to propagate tension and war for a syndicate of private interests who are hellbent on profiting from those conflicts.

The politics that divide the common folk are completely irrelevant when you see the pattern of corruption coming from both sides of the aisle. Until you fully grasp this concept, you are just as blind as anybody else who can't see.
Posted by TiderNAL
Member since Nov 2010
7982 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 11:59 am to
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Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3458 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:01 pm to
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The problem is the politicization of all media. It has caused people, who ordinarily wouldn't have them, to develop political positions and the information they're getting is absolute bottom tier.

Democracy only works when voters are informed and there's a new class of voters who are functionally incapable of actually being informed. The myth that everyone's opinion matters is going to kill us all


So you're saying it was better before the internet, before cable TV, when people were only informed by the local Newspaper's editors and major TV network news anchors like Walter Cronkite?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35802 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:03 pm to
I don't consider guys like Paxton and Abbott conservative. Landry isn't either. They can say they are all they want. But they are the same coin as the progressive socialists of the left. So many just want to own the other side
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
46271 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:09 pm to
America has NEVER been more morally bankrupt & trashy as it is today.

1000%
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:15 pm to
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Today we learned America relies on democratic processes


We learned that a lot of people are motivated to vote by propaganda and tactics not based on reality. Your side refuses to vet anything. You act with emotion on 3rd hand information that is often bullshite like "Karen had to drive to Africa to get an abortion, and her friend was arrested for helping her."

i.e. Abortion is your main issue? Really? Do you get abortions daily? Or do you buy stuff and pay bills daily?

Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10275 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:19 pm to
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It's not the corrupt bureaucrats or deep state or Rothschild family, Soros, the media, the Democrats, or the RINOs.

It's your neighbors, your family members, your co-workers, the other parents on the travel team, your friends, people in your church. They enable, support, and vote for this destruction of the country.


You can't really say it's one and not the other. The first group controls everything. The group that controls 90% of all marketing is threatening Rumble with no ad revenue if they don't remove people like Crowder and Alex Jones.

The group with power controlled the media and shut out conservatives saying to start your own platform. So they did, and now those in power are saying you can't start your own platform because we still control the money. Like it or not, content creators and platforms need money to operate.

When the majority of information comes from the internet and access to that information is controlled by people who hate conservatives, how do you expect people to hear an alternative viewpoint?

If a student fails a test because the teacher gave him incorrect information, is he really to be blamed?

If you correctly believe the election was stolen, then no, my friends and family and neighbors did not vote for this. It would be the people in power exerting their will.

There are more conservatives than liberals in this country. You only think it's 50/50 because their voices are amplified, and you are lied to by the media. No person aware of the media's bias can honestly believe Kamala went from the most unlikable person to leading candidate in a matter of days.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62526 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 12:28 pm to
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am curious how much gerrymandering plays into that,
Probably not much, if he’s talking about total votes. Maybe some effect on turnout, because the outcome is presumed?
Posted by VaultDweller
Member since Jan 2024
42 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 1:08 pm to
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The only hope is the left going too far for the mama bears.


I understand this sentiment, but if the left hasn’t already gone too far for the mama bears, then what the hell is it going to take?! The left’s official position is that the only difference between a person with a penis and a person with a vagina is the label that they place on themselves. They want to criminally punish people for not using “proper pronouns.” They want to make “minor attracted persons,” formerly known as pedophiles, an accepted sexual orientation. I could go on and on. Where the f@#k do the mama bears draw the line?!
Posted by AZHorn
Southern Arizona
Member since Aug 2021
1062 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 1:15 pm to
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Today we learned America relies on democratic processes


Normal people voted for Kamala to be the nominee?


A lot of them probably aren't voting for her, they are voting for the Democrat machine controlled by Obama, Hillary, and Pelosi. That is the difference between Republicans and DEMs. The Dems just vote party line regardless of the candidate or the law they are trying to pass, etc. They are sheeple.
Posted by VaultDweller
Member since Jan 2024
42 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 1:48 pm to
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I guess reality is setting in finally for some as they realized DEMs outnumbers Republicans in the US. This meme is very applicable:


There was a time when people who believed the earth is flat outnumbered those who believed it is a sphere. That didn’t make the flat earthers right.

We do agree that democrats have done a much better job of marketing themselves than republicans over the past few generations. They have chosen a simple and understandable theme (inequality and discrimination are the root of all problems), and they relate all of their messaging to that theme. They’ve managed to convince over half the country that the government could afford to give everyone everything they need if only the white men could be forced to stop oppressing and pay their “fair share.” They’ve managed to convince over half the country to ignore basic economic realities like scarcity, trade offs, and there’s no free lunch. Despite the whole message being a complete fantasy, republicans have been unable to successfully debunk it, because so many people want to believe it. In short, democrats outnumber republicans because democrats have a better sales pitch, not because they have a better product. Eventually, a whole lot of people will realize to their sorrow that the box does not contain what is written on the lid.

Posted by Feelthebarn
Lower Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
3578 posts
Posted on 8/9/24 at 1:49 pm to
Your party hasn't used the democratic process since st least 2008
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