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re: The bible doesn't forbid homosexuality - the left
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:19 am to blueboy
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:19 am to blueboy
God made Adam and Eve . Not Adam and Larry . God said "Now be fruitful and multiply, and repopulate the earth.” Pretty sure God new two men cant have babies so .....
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Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:20 am to El Segundo Guy
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Outside of any religious text or teachings, I...should be cleaning up with respect to the good looking "normal" young women these days.
"'Normal' young women"? Outside of one who abides in "religious text or teachings"?
Maybe.
But with "normal" values, morals and loyalty? And wisdom?
THAT is your real challenge, my friend.
A woman who has respect and honor for the Lord is going to be all those things for you as well -- and by far transcend mere "good looks / hot-bod."
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:24 am to Rip Torn
What about divorce because of domestic abuse?
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:26 am to Bass Tiger
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If the progressives hadn't mastered the ability to redefine words, to bastardize history, to steadily destroy societal norms, they wouldn't have had a chance to fundamentally change America.....unfortunately the progressives infiltrated academia and the rest is our unfortunate US history
Bullseye!
> The Luciferians / Left have indeed bastardized and weaponized the language, and inverted meanings.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 10:29 am
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:31 am to dchog
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What about divorce because of domestic abuse?
Good question.
Mental? Physical? Degree?
My understanding -- legal grounds if harmful.
Abuse -- especially severe abuse -- violates the oath of marriage to "love and honor."
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:33 am to dchog
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What about divorce because of domestic abuse?
He’s omnipotent. If he wanted it in the book, he would have put it there.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:56 am to TNoon
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There is a “church” in the United States that promotes the slogan “God hates figs.” This group pickets gay parades, gay bars, gay events, gay funerals, etc. This group also sometimes protests at military funerals, claiming that the soldier was killed because the USA is supporting the homosexual agenda. Is there any truth to their claims? Does God hate gay people?
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Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.
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1. Extreme hatred; detestation.
2. The object of detestation, a common signification in scripture.
Abomination, Websters 1828
God hates the act of one man lying with another. It is a wicked sin. However:
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John 3:16 God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
God loved them enough to die for them. To answer your question, no. God loves them and gave himself for them. But once again:
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1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind
The message from God is turn from your wickedness and repent. God provided the way, will you accept?
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 11:00 am
Posted on 12/10/22 at 10:58 am to blueboy
This is the lefts way. Change any and all History to fit their narrative.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:00 am to TNoon
A Religion Board (PT) prayer vigil should do the trick. Bring your faith the size of a mustard seed and Pray the Gay Away!
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:13 am to blueboy
I like to go to the Catholic Church on issues like this. They have been thinking and debating issue like this for 1000s of years:
Above is based on: 1 Timothy 1:10, 1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 1:24-27, Genesis 19:1-29.
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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, 141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." 142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
Above is based on: 1 Timothy 1:10, 1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 1:24-27, Genesis 19:1-29.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:15 am to blueboy
Jesus affirmed that marriage was between a man and a woman. Jesus taught that lust was a violation of the 7th commandment.
There is no way homosexual lust or action could not be a sin based on these two things alone. Homosexuals can’t get married according to Jesus, and any sexual activity (even lust) outside of marriage is sin. That means homosexuals—like heterosexuals engaging in fornication—are in sin and must repent.
Also, Paul says it unnatural for women to burn in lust for other women and likewise men for men in Romans 1.
There is no way to support homosexuality in the Bible without simply ignoring what it says and forcing in a bias.
There is no way homosexual lust or action could not be a sin based on these two things alone. Homosexuals can’t get married according to Jesus, and any sexual activity (even lust) outside of marriage is sin. That means homosexuals—like heterosexuals engaging in fornication—are in sin and must repent.
Also, Paul says it unnatural for women to burn in lust for other women and likewise men for men in Romans 1.
There is no way to support homosexuality in the Bible without simply ignoring what it says and forcing in a bias.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:20 am to Azkiger
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I do believe she is right about Jesus never speaking out against homosexuality, though.
I know this upset a lot of you but we're all about facts over feelings right?
You can argue Jesus was against homosexuality, but it seems to be a factual statement that Jesus never spoke about homosexuality. That's all I said.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:21 am to El Segundo Guy
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Bring your faith the size of a mustard seed and Pray the Gay Away!
or have brain surgery and fix your brain defects/chemical inbalances and mental illness.
inb4 phags like pete booty nudge ala buttigieg say I WUZ BORN DIS WAY!
people are BORN WITH ILLNESS all the time
get help
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:28 am to Azkiger
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You can argue Jesus was against homosexuality,
of course he was against it. like he would not endorse scripture and call a whore a sinner and wrong but ok with phags?
again u clowns love projecting. did he say you cannot kill phags verbatim? no he did not. does that make it ok for muzzies to kill them? use your fn head man.
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:33 am to Azkiger
Jesus thought it was already covered. No reason to point out the obvious.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:37 am to blueboy
The Right Rev Sen Warnock doesn’t think so!
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 11:38 am
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:40 am to blueboy
One issue, is ancient languages, like Hebrew, have fewer words and a single word can have multiple meanings, usually translated within context. But reminding that every human is a sinner and not one of us has lived according to the Law as the Law covers alot more than homosexuality. This requires Jesus, who paid our price for us.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:40 am to blueboy
Here is an article in a Methodist publication, in which the researchers took an interesting approach. They pulled translations from the Greek and Hebrew into modern language Bibles ... in languages OTHER than English, to see how the words in Leviticus, Corinthians and Romans were translated over the last 500 years, including by Martin Luther himself.
What did they find? Almost uniformly, the translations related to the sexual abuse of young boys by adult men and NOT to adult-to-adult interactions.
What did they find? Almost uniformly, the translations related to the sexual abuse of young boys by adult men and NOT to adult-to-adult interactions.
quote:Disclosure, the researcher IS gay, but the translators to German, Swedish and Norwegian were not.
I wanted to see how other cultures and translations treated the same verses when they were translated during the Reformation 500 years ago. So I started collecting old Bibles in French, German, Irish, Gaelic, Czechoslovakian, Polish… you name it. Now I’ve got most European major languages that I’ve collected over time. Anyway, I had a German friend come back to town and I asked if he could help me with some passages in one of my German Bibles from the 1800s. So we went to Leviticus 18:22 and he’s translating it for me word for word. In the English where it says “Man shall not lie with man, for it is an abomination,” the German version says “Man shall not lie with young boys as he does with a woman, for it is an abomination.” I said, “What?! Are you sure?” He said, “Yes!” Then we went to Leviticus 20:13— same thing, “Young boys.” So we went to 1 Corinthians to see how they translated arsenokoitai (original Greek word) and instead of homosexuals it said, “Boy molesters will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
I then grabbed my facsimile copy of Martin Luther’s original German translation from 1534. My friend is reading through it for me and he says, “Ed, this says the same thing!” They use the word knabenschander. Knaben is boy, schander is molester. This word “boy molesters” for the most part carried through the next several centuries of German Bible translations. Knabenschander is also in 1 Timothy 1:10.
I also have a 1674 Swedish translation and an 1830 Norwegian translation of the Bible. I asked one of my friends, who was attending Fuller seminary and is fluent in both Swedish and Norwegian, to look at these verses for me. So we met at a coffee shop in Pasadena with my old Bibles. (She didn’t really know why I was asking.) Just like reading an old English Bible, it’s not easy to read. The letters are a little bit funky, the spelling is a little bit different. So she’s going through it carefully, and then her face comes up, “Do you know what this says?!” and I said, “No! That’s why you are here!” She said, “It says boy abusers, boy molesters.”
This post was edited on 12/10/22 at 11:55 am
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:46 am to blueboy
Sure it does....it just doesn't use the modern politically correct correct word "homosexuality", but calls it Sodomy which is named for the nasty perverted men in Sodom who wanted to "know"(have sexual relations) with the two angels who were visiting Lot at the time. New Testament condemns as well in Romans 1 that was penned by Paul under the holy inspiration of the Holy Ghost.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Posted on 12/10/22 at 11:52 am to blueboy
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The bible doesn't forbid homosexuality
Really? You sure about?
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Leviticus 20:13
King James Version
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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abomination - a vile, shameful, or detestable action, condition, habit, etc.
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Jesus never spoke about gay people
yeah, about that
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Matthew 5
KJV
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Not only did Jesus uphold OT law, he also advised against anyone else doing it either. Treading on thin ice, when you do
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