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re: The Alex Jones Verdict Is Wrong and Dangerous

Posted on 8/7/22 at 3:55 pm to
Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
Member since Jan 2010
6975 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 3:55 pm to
What about/now do.....like a broken record.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53150 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 3:57 pm to
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What about/now do.....like a broken record.


Imagine people wanting equal application of the law.

You’re just another dem letting everyone know yet another part of the constitution you dislike. We get it.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
76734 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 3:57 pm to
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He made baseless claims just to rile people


Joe Biden did exactly the same when he campaigned in 2016.

Remember the fine people hoax?
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
7989 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:02 pm to
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To win a defamation case, you have to prove the person doing the defaming was wrong. It was pretty easy to prove Jones was wrong in his accusation that the Sandy Hook parents were really just CIA actors.


So anyone in the media calling the FLs "Parental Rights in Education" bill "The Don't Say Gay" bill can be acvused of defamation of some kind?
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
79309 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:04 pm to
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Sure Trump is on tape asking Georgia officials to "find" votes, but he's on my team so that's ok"


Well they did find votes on usb drives. So it’s possible more could be found because of how shitty Georgia is at running an election.
Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
Member since Jan 2010
6975 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:04 pm to
Now do/whatabout...what fricking morons.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
51318 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:20 pm to
Jones is just another example of the political battle going on in America. There are very few people who think Jones was being responsible or sensible by saying Sandy Hook was a hoax/false flag but it was just his wacky opinion.

My contention is simple, if no one went to prison over the Trump/Russia collusion hoax, then I’m not sure how Jones is legally on the hook for millions of dollars in restitution/damages. The blatant two tier justice system is eventually going to be the BS that triggers nationwide social unrest.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60660 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:22 pm to
I don't understand why Taylor Lorenz's victims entitled to the same recourse.
Posted by MeatPants
Member since Nov 2015
8892 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:27 pm to
I agree with the Taylor Lorenz thing. I don’t know the specifics But if she’s lying about people than for sure. Because she sure as hell is harassing them and destroying lives
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 4:27 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
53150 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:37 pm to
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Now do/whatabout...what fricking morons.


Imagine being against equal application of the law. Constitution hating moron.
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:39 pm to
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"Sure Trump is on tape asking Georgia officials to "find" votes, but he's on my team so that's ok"
Get out of Austin, unless you're looking for a transsexual "girl"friend. You're obviously not among intelligent social circles.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28107 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:40 pm to
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Jones was wrong in his accusation that the Sandy Hook parents were really just CIA actors


How does one prove you do not work for the cia?
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
21523 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:42 pm to
This group of DEMS have politically weaponized the legal system....just like they will weaponize these 87,000 new IRS Gestapo agents.

I promise you they ain't gonna audit poor Black people....it will be the White supremicist who they are after.
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 4:56 pm
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
60959 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:50 pm to
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My contention is simple, if no one went to prison over the Trump/Russia collusion hoax, then I’m not sure how Jones is legally on the hook for millions of dollars in restitution/damages.



And this is my beef
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
60959 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 4:53 pm to
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This group of DESM have politically weaponized the legal system....just like they will weaponize these 87,000 new IRS Gestapo agents. I ppromise you they ain't gonna audit poor Black people....it will be the White supremicist who they are after.


No doubt. The Dems and their accomplices are fine to use the power of the government to target their enemies. They think it’s their moral obligation
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 4:54 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 5:02 pm to
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it was just his wacky opinion


It was a little more than that.

quote:

My contention is simple, if no one went to prison over the Trump/Russia collusion hoax, then I’m not sure how Jones is legally on the hook for millions of dollars in restitution/damages. The blatant two tier justice system is eventually going to be the BS that triggers nationwide social unrest.


You're equating criminal sanctions and civil penalties? No. Just...no.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 5:08 pm to
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you can’t see the ramifications of this.
That you will face civil liability if you (knowingly and with a profit motive) spread lies about grieving parents?

That would be horrible.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
39762 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 5:26 pm to
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That you will face civil liability if you (knowingly and with a profit motive) spread lies about grieving parents?


Because defamation specifically deals with reputational damages, not hurt feelings. Where are these damages? Have Jones's allegations hindered anyone's employment or caused them to lose income they otherwise would have had?

You have presumably read Snyder vs. Phelps. You cannot legally recover under the torts of outrage or IIED for what amounts to political speech. This case is Exhibit A in how you bootstrap a defamation claim to avoid the constitutional prohibition on recovery for what should be the primary causes of action.
This post was edited on 8/7/22 at 5:35 pm
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
17628 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 5:57 pm to
It's only dangerous because it's only easy to sue and win against non-state media influencers for defamation and slander. It's almost impossible to sue and win against state media influencers for defamation and slander.

It's broken because the law is mainly only applied in one direction. I still get irked thinking about the rittenhouse trial. State media went out of their way to distort facts and lie. They tried desperately to influence the jury, to get them to destroy that kid's life. Painting him as a subhuman nazi who viciously killed peaceful protesters because he was racist.



Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16331 posts
Posted on 8/7/22 at 5:58 pm to
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To win a defamation case, you have to prove the person doing the defaming was wrong. It was pretty easy to prove Jones was wrong in his accusation that the Sandy Hook parents were really just CIA actors. The media that wrongly accused Rittenhouse, and the prep school kid at the capital, of being racists etc.... you don't think those people should be sued for defamation?
Are you unable to see a difference in these examples?
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