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The Abortion Debate Will Never Be Solved
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:40 am
ACB's nomination has us talking Roe vs Wade again, and it's a debate that has no solution, because the two sides aren't using the same reasons.
One side believes that it's all about the life of the unborn child.
One side believes that it's all about the rights of the mother. This side believes that the unborn fetus is an extension of the mother, not separate from it... an idea that is supported by science (up to a certain point in pregnancy, at least).
I've always believed that the rights of Person A end when they infringe upon the rights of Person B. But, legally, Person B (in this case, the unborn baby) really doesn't have any rights. Because they are unborn.
There's never going to be any reconciliation here. If we keep Roe vs Wade, half the country is pissed off. If we overturn it, the other half of the country is pissed off.
I really believe we should be putting more focus and emphasis on birth control. If for nothing other than financial reasons, many years of a pill is a hell of a lot cheaper than 18 years (or more) of welfare. I believe there is a place for abstinence, but I think our government leaders (and money) need to be more realistic.
One side believes that it's all about the life of the unborn child.
One side believes that it's all about the rights of the mother. This side believes that the unborn fetus is an extension of the mother, not separate from it... an idea that is supported by science (up to a certain point in pregnancy, at least).
I've always believed that the rights of Person A end when they infringe upon the rights of Person B. But, legally, Person B (in this case, the unborn baby) really doesn't have any rights. Because they are unborn.
There's never going to be any reconciliation here. If we keep Roe vs Wade, half the country is pissed off. If we overturn it, the other half of the country is pissed off.
I really believe we should be putting more focus and emphasis on birth control. If for nothing other than financial reasons, many years of a pill is a hell of a lot cheaper than 18 years (or more) of welfare. I believe there is a place for abstinence, but I think our government leaders (and money) need to be more realistic.
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Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:42 am to LSUFanHouston
If we found a couple cells on Mars we'd call it life wouldn't we?
Science is pretty straightforward.
Science is pretty straightforward.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:42 am to LSUFanHouston
In the very least, there needs to be a standard set. Babies are surviving birth now at 20 weeks, thanks to the advances of science. We can disagree, but set a time frame. For instance, after the first trimester abortion is illegal.
I'm pro-life, but this would be a step in the right direction.
I'm pro-life, but this would be a step in the right direction.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:43 am to LSUFanHouston
It's a state issue.
Thats how its solved.
It is perfectly legitimate for California and Maryland to have a different policy than Louisiana and Alabama.
Anything not in the Constitution is left up to the states.
Pretending something is in the Constitution (a right to abortion on demand)that isn't is a bad idea.
Thats how its solved.
It is perfectly legitimate for California and Maryland to have a different policy than Louisiana and Alabama.
Anything not in the Constitution is left up to the states.
Pretending something is in the Constitution (a right to abortion on demand)that isn't is a bad idea.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:45 am to Tiger985
The Slavery Debate Will Never Be Solved
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:46 am to LSUFanHouston
If you break a sea turtle or eagle egg you go to jail.
If you kill an unborn human you get a seat in the ring of honor on the left as an empowered woman or "women's healthcare provider"
If you kill an unborn human you get a seat in the ring of honor on the left as an empowered woman or "women's healthcare provider"
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 10:47 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:47 am to LSUFanHouston
Overturn RvW. Send decision back to states.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:48 am to LSUFanHouston
As long as one side refuses to take personal responsibility for their lifestyle, correct, we will not be solving abortion.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:01 am to bayoumuscle21
quote:And this is why supporters of abortion rights do not trust you.
In the very least, there needs to be a standard set. Babies are surviving birth now at 20 weeks, thanks to the advances of science. We can disagree, but set a time frame. For instance, after the first trimester abortion is illegal.
I'm pro-life, but this would be a step in the right direction.
You do not say "that is a compromise that I can live with." Even when trying to be reasonable, you acknowledge that it is merely a "step," implying that you will discard the compromise as soon as it is feasible to do so.
What is the incentive to negotiate a compromise agreement with an opponent who has no intent to honor it?
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 11:04 am
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:14 am to AggieHank86
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What is the incentive to negotiate a compromise agreement with an opponent who has no intent to honor it?
I get where you're coming from. I feel the same about the 2A debate...don't give an inch.
That said, if we don't define when life begins, how can we define murder?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:15 am to LSUFanHouston
Just kick it to the states and let it be handled there.
Some will, some won't.
Combine that with online doctors across state lines (which we've done with Covid) and anyone in any state can get plan B overnighted to their house.
Abortion would become something that for the most part happens quietly in the background, known only to very few.
It would still be around, but in a much lower profile.
Some will, some won't.
Combine that with online doctors across state lines (which we've done with Covid) and anyone in any state can get plan B overnighted to their house.
Abortion would become something that for the most part happens quietly in the background, known only to very few.
It would still be around, but in a much lower profile.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:21 am to AggieHank86
quote:
And this is why supporters of abortion rights do not trust you.
I can do this with any social issue and more. Banning bump stocks to many are "steps in the right direction" against gun rights.
Evangelicals years ago were against gay marriage because they said it would never end there. They were right. Now we have a trans and gender issue in our country because of the abundance of confusion that we've allowed to go on. But liberals said allowing gay marriage was a "step in the right direction"
They are to the point now where they are literally taking babies out of the mother alive, and then killing them. Anything that can be legislated can be passed better than that.
They also need to make the adoption process easier, so that people can adopt these babies without all of the current headache. But that is a whole other conversation.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:22 am to LSUFanHouston
The truth is this is not a top 10 issue for most folks, just the fringe elements.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:23 am to LSUFanHouston
Overturning Roe vs Wade ensures Republicans give the Dems a larger voter base in 18 years.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:36 am to AUHighPlainsDrifter
quote:we HAVE a definition for that purpose ... birth. Abortion opponents just want to change it.
if we don't define when life begins, how can we define murder?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:42 am to LSUFanHouston
Force the mother to carry to term. Hand her a .38 special at birth. If she still wants to abort, she can pull the trigger with no penalty. No chance of scarring or other complications from the coat hanger/ bic lighter combo.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:44 am to TigerCruise
quote:
couple cells on Mars
Would they vote democrat?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:50 am to LSUFanHouston
There are 2 debates...
1. The abortion debate (should abortion be legal?) will never be solved.
2. The Roe debate...should the court decision be overturned and throw abortion back to each state. That's easy to solve.
Legal abortion has always existed. It just wasn't a right guaranteed in the Constitution. If Roe is overturned then any woman can still get a legal abortion. They'll just have to drive to another state.
1. The abortion debate (should abortion be legal?) will never be solved.
2. The Roe debate...should the court decision be overturned and throw abortion back to each state. That's easy to solve.
Legal abortion has always existed. It just wasn't a right guaranteed in the Constitution. If Roe is overturned then any woman can still get a legal abortion. They'll just have to drive to another state.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:01 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
we HAVE a definition for that purpose ... birth. Abortion opponents just want to change it.
Sure, pro-lifers want to change it. It is, after all, very debatable. Not to mention that it isn't applied equally under our current laws. If I kick a pregnant woman in the belly and she loses her baby, I can be charged with murder.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
The Slavery Debate Will Never Be Solved
quote:
The Nazi Debate Will Never Be Solved
There are a lot of debates that at the time seemed "unsolvable", the abortion debate is already solved one side just doesn't realize it until they face the almighty at judgement.
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