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Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:23 pm to LSUFanHouston
Do not kill. (God's Law)
Murder is wrong. (Man's Law)
There. I solved it.
Murder is wrong. (Man's Law)
There. I solved it.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:25 pm to texridder
quote:But, but, but ...quote:How can you have a reasonable debate when ignorant people keep believing and spreading this complete bullshite?
They are to the point now where they are literally taking babies out of the mother alive, and then killing them
Some guy in Virginia said something about a mother and her doctor discussing palliative care after the birth of a non-viable fetus, so DAMMIT this means NOT ONLY that the Left supports affirmative infanticide after a live birth BUT ALSO that they are out there doing it NOW.
Rush said so.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:27 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Some guy in Virginia said something about a mother and her doctor discussing palliative care after the birth of a non-viable fetus, so DAMMIT this means NOT ONLY that the Left supports affirmative infanticide after a live birth BUT ALSO that they are out there doing it NOW.
I thought you weren't a Democrat ?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:28 pm to claremontrich
quote:In order to have even the slightest hope of a civil and objective discussion on this topic, BOTH GODDAM SIDES need to stop their ridiculous marketing efforts thru loaded language.
we are not anti-choice. We are pro-life.
Pro-Choice vs Anti-Choice
Pro-Life vs Murders
It is just childish.
You either support abortion rights, or you do not. Clean, unemotional language. Now, discuss the topic like adults.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:29 pm to LSU2019
quote:
the issue now, with people like me, is that a clump of cells is not a human being, its not a viable life. if it were, Id be against abortion, it would be abhorrent. for fricks sake, I dont want to hurt a baby, dont be dumb, why on earth would I?
so its about "fetal viability", lots of states (most?) ban abortion after that, which seems reasonable to me.
generally that means about 24 weeks (I think), but thats for now, that number will only go down, in 20 years it might be half that, who knows, but at some point it wont be a number at all. like most everything else, abortion is gonna be settled by science, it'll be made obsolete.
Your comments were directly after a post that said...
quote:
I don't see any justification for abortion. You're literally REMOVING the gift of life from an innocent, helpless child. I think you're a sick person to support something like that. I am not really a religious person either.
How mass infanticide still takes place in a first world country such as ours is sickening.
Bottom line - it's not a women's right issue... it's a right to life issue. Being brutally honest.. you're a piece of shite if you support abortion.
The fact that these two posts were next to each other, exactly articulates my position.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:30 pm to Landmass
The question is not when life begins or whether a cell is alive or not. The question is: is a fertilized cell a human being with a soul and full rights (like a 1-year-old child)?
Among Christians, Catholics never taught that until the 19th century and :Protestants never taught that until the 1970s and especially the 1980s. What the traditional Christian view was, was that human life began when a child took what the Bible calls "the breath of life."
As a political issue, abortion is NOT going to go away by either court decision or legislative fiat. American women have been getting abortions one way or another since long before there was a US Constitution. And a clear majority of Americans do not believe abortion is murder.
Among Christians, Catholics never taught that until the 19th century and :Protestants never taught that until the 1970s and especially the 1980s. What the traditional Christian view was, was that human life began when a child took what the Bible calls "the breath of life."
As a political issue, abortion is NOT going to go away by either court decision or legislative fiat. American women have been getting abortions one way or another since long before there was a US Constitution. And a clear majority of Americans do not believe abortion is murder.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
Viability begins at 18-20 weeks given todays medical environment
the time for choice is before you lay down for sex
the time for choice is before you lay down for sex
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:31 pm to AggieHank86
quote:How about people discuss this issue without emotion? Then "emotional language" won't matter.
You either support abortion rights, or you do not. Clean, unemotional language. Now, discuss the topic like adults.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:31 pm to Loserman
misread the post
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:31 pm to GeorgeWest
quote:
GeorgeWest
Another fake Christian
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:32 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:
One side believes that it's all about the rights of the mother. This side believes that the unborn fetus is an extension of the mother, not separate from it... an idea that is supported by science (up to a certain point in pregnancy, at least)
Supported by science??? Science says the fetus has different DNA than her, therefore it isn't her... EVER! Different DNA = Different person. That is what SCIENCE SAYS.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:34 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
"If I burn down your house, I get in trouble. But you can tear it down whenever you want to! That just ain't right ...."
So you are equating an unborn child to "property" of the mother?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:37 pm to omegaman66
quote:
Supported by science??? Science says the fetus has different DNA than her, therefore it isn't her... EVER!
Different DNA = Different person. That is what SCIENCE SAYS.
The baby won't survive outside the mother at 5 weeks. Science.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:40 pm to 93and99
quote:There are rules here that keep ignorant asswipes like you from following people around and posting useless crap.
93and99
Are you a slow learner who needs to be educated?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:42 pm to LSU2019
quote:
do you think there are no cells on Mars?
like, the planet? the planet Mars? you think there are no cells there?
What does it matter if I think there are cells on Mars or not?
You said that if we found cells on Mars we wouldn't say we found life, I disagreed with you
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:42 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Are they EXACTLY the same (equate)? Of course not. But for the limited purpose of understanding the referenced criminal law, yes, the two are reasonably-analogous.quote:So you are equating an unborn child to "property" of the mother?
"If I burn down your house, I get in trouble. But you can tear it down whenever you want to! That just ain't right ...."
For the most part, criminal offenses arise from the violation of another person's rights. Commit arson, and you have violated the rights of the property owner. Injure a pregnant woman in a way that terminates her pregnancy against her will, and you have (again) violated HER rights.
Yes, it sounds a bit callous. The law is often a bit callous.
In much the same way, trespass and murder and not identical (equate), but are reasonably-analogous because both arise from the violation of another person's rights and thus give rise to criminal offenses.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:43 pm to GeorgeWest
quote:
Among Christians, Catholics never taught that until the 19th century and :Protestants never taught that until the 1970s and especially the 1980s.
This issue has nothing to do with religion. Sure a religíon can have a sance on anything, like should you eat pork.
Murder is one person killing another another person.
An abortion is one person killing another person.
If you are on life support and I sneak in and pull the plug, then I will be charged with murder. my argument that you were not viable will not help me avoid prison.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:44 pm to texridder
quote:
texridder
Are you having a meltdown ?
I don't follow losers on the left (like you).
Are you going to the Help Board and whine ?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:44 pm to LSUFanHouston
I'm not going to downvote on this.
The bottom line for abortion for me is I know what they use abortion clinics for and I know how they "repurpose" the fetus / infant. I am thoroughly against this practice and will never be for it.
As for the morality and who's choice is it part, if we aren't carrying the babies we can't tell the ones who do how to behave. They'll have to face the Lord and justify that decision. Period.
The bottom line for abortion for me is I know what they use abortion clinics for and I know how they "repurpose" the fetus / infant. I am thoroughly against this practice and will never be for it.
As for the morality and who's choice is it part, if we aren't carrying the babies we can't tell the ones who do how to behave. They'll have to face the Lord and justify that decision. Period.
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