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re: The Abortion Debate Will Never Be Solved
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:51 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:51 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:my choice, if I were in that situation, would be around 24 weeks, explained why over here.
At would point do you think it is reasonable for all abortions to be illegal?
"illegal" is a much much harder to nail down, because, good god, there are eleventy billion things in play with a pregnancy, theyre all the same and theyre all different. 28 maybe? assuming theres no medical reasons that compel it later, of course.
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Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:54 pm to AggieHank86
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Injure a pregnant woman in a way that terminates her pregnancy against her will, and you have (again) violated HER rights.
That's kinda the point I was making earlier regarding the pro-choice crowd. They believe the rights are all for the mother, and the fetus has no rights.
Now... isn't suicide technically illegal? If it is... and you don't have the "right" to kill yourself... how can you have the right to kill a portion of yourself? I guess you do have the right to chop off a finger. Is aborting a fetus the same as chopping off a finger?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:54 pm to GeorgeWest
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And a clear majority of Americans do not believe abortion is murder.
Well, it isn't, under our current laws. The question is, should it be?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:54 pm to LSUFanHouston
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The baby won't survive outside the mother at 5 weeks. Science.
So, the fetus wasn't outside? If we are scuba diving your logic says I can cut yur air line and not be charged with murder since you can't survive without it.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 3:59 pm to BamaGradinTn
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I think all abortion is wrong, but I'll make the deal right now that gives the other side the rape/incest/life of the mother abortions and bans all the rest, at any time during pregnancy.
Of course they will never agree to that, because they want all abortion, for any reason, up until birth. They just like to lie to themselves and everyone else and pretend they do not support killing little babies. It is why all the pro-abortion arguments are bull shite. They are all disingenuous lies.
I would respect the pro-abortion person who told the truth and said, 'I think some people are less than others, and it is ok to murder those people for convenience.' I would still think they are evil monsters, but at least they would be honest.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:00 pm to saturday
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What does it matter if I think there are cells on Mars or not?
You said that if we found cells on Mars we wouldn't say we found life, I disagreed with you
we've already found them, this is not a hypothetical, we have rocks from there. they have cells inside.
and yet no one says theres life on Mars.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Now... isn't suicide technically illegal? If it is... and you don't have the "right" to kill yourself... how can you have the right to kill a portion of yourself? I guess you do have the right to chop off a finger. Is aborting a fetus the same as chopping off a finger?
The fetus is not a portion of the mother. It has unique DNA. It is a distinct unique person. That is not even debatable.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:01 pm to omegaman66
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So, the fetus wasn't outside? If we are scuba diving your logic says I can cut yur air line and not be charged with murder since you can't survive without it.
I can't survive without it. The issue is from the perspective of the mother, not the baby.
I'm not saying I agree.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:02 pm to LSU2019
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and yet no one says theres life on Mars.
You sure do go a long way to justify killing a kid as a matter of convenience.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:04 pm to BlackAdam
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The fetus is not a portion of the mother. It has unique DNA. It is a distinct unique person. That is not even debatable.
Legally, it is a portion of the mother. A newborn child is legally recognized as a distinct person. A fetus is not.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Legally, it is a portion of the mother. A newborn child is legally recognized as a distinct person. A fetus is not.
You have not said anything relevant. Legality and lawfulness are two different things. It is legal to kill a fetus and not legal to kill a toddler. That is a gross incongruence in the law.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:08 pm to AggieHank86
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Injure a pregnant woman in a way that terminates her pregnancy against her will, and you have (again) violated HER rights.
I'm not a lawyer, but from what I've read, that isn't always the case. Here is a summary homicide laws for the states that have them... Fetal Homicide Laws
For Texas it states, "Tex. Penal Code Ann. § 1.07 relates to the death of or injury to an unborn child and provides penalties. The law defines an individual as a human being who is alive, including an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth."
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:14 pm to AggieHank86
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we HAVE a definition for that purpose
No “we” don’t.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:16 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Legally, it is a portion of the mother. A newborn child is legally recognized as a distinct person. A fetus is not.
We are not arguing legality, we are arguing what should be legal. Passing a law or in this case having a judge say I have the right to kill someone makes it legal even if it should not be legal.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:19 pm to BlackAdam
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Legality and lawfulness are two different things.
Those are exactly the same thing.
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It is legal to kill a fetus and not legal to kill a toddler. That is a gross incongruence in the law.
It's incongruence if you believe the two should be treated the same, that the two have the same rights.
Many people do not believe that.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:21 pm to omegaman66
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We are not arguing legality, we are arguing what should be legal
Right. Back to my point. If abortion gets outlawed tomorrow, we will still have a huge debate and a huge divide in this country, it's just the "happy" party changes sides.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:25 pm to 93and99
quote:That's up to you.
Are you going to the Help Board
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:28 pm to Bulldogblitz
quote:hysterical theatrics, really? Is that all you left? Did you huff when you typed it and then storm away to sulk?
You sure do go a long way to justify killing a kid as a matter of convenience.
Maybe learn what a cell is first, you skipped a few steps before somehow arriving here in a conversation about when life begins and you shouldnt have done that, they were relevant.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:38 pm to LSU2019
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we've already found them, this is not a hypothetical, we have rocks from there. they have cells inside.
and yet no one says theres life on Mars.
Uh huh...
quote:
NASA’s Curiosity rover has found new evidence preserved in rocks on Mars that suggests the planet could have supported ancient life
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Organic molecules contain carbon and hydrogen, and also may include oxygen, nitrogen and other elements. While commonly associated with life, organic molecules also can be created by non-biological processes and are not necessarily indicators of life.
LINK
Posted on 9/29/20 at 4:43 pm to LSUFanHouston
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That's the issue. The sea turtle or eagle egg is apart from the mother's body. Plus, a sea turtle or an eagle, has no legal rights.
They have no legal rights, yet it’s still a crime to kill them
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